On 18 Aug 2012, at 15:35, Roger wrote:
IMHO
Religion deals with the unchanging Kingdom of Heaven: the eternal
logic of Plato, final causes. Eternal truth,
not contingent facts. Either and always Yes or No.
Whoa! You are close to Platonism. Nice (with respect to comp).
Science deals with the Kingdom of Earth: the contingent world of
Aristotle and Lebniz.
Contingent facts, not eternal truth. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
I can be OK with that. We can be more precise by postulating comp, as
many contingency become absolutely contingent. In particular the
computational states become necessarily contingent. We have
p-> []<>p (p -> necessary possible p): it makes the accessibility
relation among worlds symmetrical, and something physical is something
repeatable in principles.
For a modal logician, Kripke is a big progress on Leibniz, because
Kripke relativizes the modalities to the 'actual world'. Leibniz
always works implicitly in one modal logic (known as S5). S5 is the
only modal logic which cannot be interpreted in arithmetic, at least
not in the self-referential approach to cognition.
There are billions (even a continuum to be exact) of modal logic. Each
defines its o<n notion of contingence and necessity. But both
Aristotle, and Leibniz (and even Gödel, arguably) single out S5. More
on this later perhaps.
Bruno
The other remarks of yours are mankind's mistaken views of both.
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Subject: Re: Descartes and the turf war between science and religion
On 17 Aug 2012, at 21:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/17/2012 11:32 AM, Roger wrote:
Hi guys,
Regarding Descartes.....
There has always been, and still is, a turf war between science
and religion,
each wanting to claim superiority over the other. And there's a
bit of fear
because most people believe that there's only one truth or that
truth comes in only one form,
either in science or in the Bible.
WHOA! Talk about parochial. I guess Roger hasn't heard of the
Quran, the Tao, the Eightfold Way, Dianetics, Wicca, the Torah,...
The interesting thing is that wars are fought over divine TRUTHs,
be not over scientific knowledge.
It is the same, as you can see through history. Just that scientific
knowledge impose itself in the shorter run than fundamental knowledge.
Science is just an attitude of modesty, religion is the belief that,
not science, but what science tries to handle, makes sense, and it
motivates (fundamental) research.
Of course humans, and even nature, perverts science and religion all
the time for reason of dishonest selfish special local short term
interests. That's part of life.
Bruno
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