2012/8/31 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> > On 8/30/2012 2:19 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, August 30, 2012 4:47:19 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: >> >> There is a human nature, and therefore a social nature with invariants. >> >> in computational terms, the human mind is a collection or hardwired >> programs. >> > codified by a developmental program, codified itself by a genetic >> program, which incidentally is a 90% identical in all humans (this is an >> amazing homogeneity for a single specie). >> >> These hardwired programs create behaviours in humans, that interact in >> a social environment. By game theory, you can verify that there are Nash >> equilibriums among these human players. These optimums of well being for >> all withing the constraints of human nature called nash equilibriums are >> the moral code. >> > > In general they are not Nash equilibra. Evolution doesn't settle on Nash > equilibra because in many cases they are unstable for finitely repeated > games, c.f. Ginitis "Bounds of Reason". >
Game theory , and in concrete, evolutionary game theory is at the core of evolutionary biology in the study of social behaviour in animals and men. It is very important in any science informed by evolutionary science, In economy for example. Nash equilibria is the most important concept of it. Read about evolutionary game theory. and in special about the pioneer: Robert Axelrod http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/game-evolutionary/ > > > >> These equilibriums are no sharp maximums, but vary slightly according >> with the social coordinates. They are lines of surface maximums. These >> maximums are know by our intuition because we have suffered social >> selection, so a knowledge of them are intuitive. That we have suffered >> social selection means that the groups of hominids or the individual >> hominids whose conducts were away from the nash equilibriums dissapeared. >> To be near these equilibriums was an advantage so we have these hardwired >> intuitions, that the greeks called Nous and the chistians call soul. >> > > That doesn't seem like something individual that will survive dissolution > of the body. > > That is the role of the genetic code, that transmit innate behaviours as well as body structure. It is so for all kind of animals, including us. > > >> What happens a broad variety of moral behaviours are really the >> expression of the same moral code operating in different circunstances >> where the optimum has been displaced. There are very interesting studies, >> for example in foundational book of evolutionary psychology "The adapted >> mind" >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**The_Adapted_Mind<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adapted_Mind> >> >> about in which circunstances a mother may abandon his newborn child in >> extreme cases (In the study about pregnancy sickness). This would be at the >> extreme of the social spectrum: In the contrary in a affluent society close >> to ours, the rules are quite "normal". Both the normal behaviour or the >> extreme behaviour is created by the same basic algoritm of >> individual/social optimization. No matter if we see this from a dynamic way >> (contemplating the variations and extremes) or a static one contemplating a >> "normal" society, the moral is a unique, universal rule system. Thanks to >> the research on evolution applied to huumans, computer science and game >> theory, It is a rediscovered fact of human nature and his society, that >> await a development of evolutionary morals >> > > I don't think biological evolution has been nearly fast enough to give us > hardwired ethics suited to modern industrial nation states. That's why > diverse cultures have evolved; Different ways of trying to satisfy the > moral instincts that evolved for life in a small tribe. In theory the > interaction of these cultures would eventually pick a winner (cultural > selection), but in practice technology and other factors (e.g. global > warming, oil depletion, war) may change things on a much shorter time scale. > > > Yes the hardwired ethics or moral developed during millions of years. 10.000 years or agriculture and. 2 centuries of industry are nothing and even maybe will not extend much more. That is why the innate human sense of moral is universal. > >> > Computational analogies can only provide us with a toy model of morality. > Should I eat my children, or should I order a pizza? It depends on the > anticipation of statistical probabilities, etc...no different than how the > equilibrium of oxygen and CO2 in my blood determines whether I inhale or > exhale. > > > It also depends on what you want. No decision problem can be solved with > values. The values that evolved biologically are common and don't change > very fast; so it's a good bet you love your children more than yourself. > > > > This kind of modeling may indeed offer some predictive strategies and > instrumental knowledge of morality, but if we had to build a person or a > universe based on this description, what would we get? Where is the > revulsion, disgust, and blame - the stigma and shaming...the deep and > violent prejudices? Surely they are not found in the banal evils of game > theory. > > > They're found in your the banal neurons of your brain, so they could be > part of the morals of a robot if we chose to build it that way. From our > perspective as citizens in a very diverse and interconnected world of > billions of people, we can see ways in which we might give a robot better, > more adaptive, values than biology has given us. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. 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