In this post the editing differences are washed away, the statements melt together with the responses to them. I was careful to use different font-distinctions and it all came out here like a mud. I think that is unfair. John Mikes
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > Capitalism is not a form of morality unless you consider > expanding the wealth of an entire nation to be moral. > > > Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net > 9/5/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him > so that everything could function." > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> > *Receiver:* everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > *Time:* 2012-09-04, 16:23:46 > *Subject:* Re: There is no such thing as cause and effect > > What struck me is that the "the USERS of wealth in directing the life > of the country." > seem to be exporting jobs overseas and hiding their money there as well. > Richard > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:12 PM, John Mikes > <jami...@gmail.com<+jami...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > First to Bruno's response to > > > > (R):3) It's also probably why taxing the rich ultimately doesn''t work, > it > > lowers every body's income to fit the curve. A nd why trickle down > doesn't > > work. > > > > "I do agree with this. The leftist idea of distributing richness cannot > work > > for many reasons. But richness must be based on facts, and not on > > propaganda. Today we are living a perversion of capitalism, because too > much > > investment are money stealing in disguise. The whole oil, and military > > industries, jail systems, and pharmaceutical industries are build on > sands. > > It will crumbled down, and the sooner the better. But it will take time > as > > the most of the middle class and banks are hostage (not always > knowingly) of > > professional liars." > > > > It is a 'trap' to falsify the adequate taxing of the 'rich' as a leftist > > attempt to distributing richness. It does not include more than a > > requirement for THEM to pay their FAIR share - maybe more than the > > not-so-rich layers (e.g. higher use of transportation, foreign > connections, > > financial means, etc. - all costing money to the country) in spite of > their > > lower share in the present unjust taxation-scheme. > > > > The rest of your reply is appreciable, however the 'crumbling' down may > only > > follow a total disaster for the not-so-rich people. > > > > The said 'taxing' is not a 'trickle down' trick, it is providing the > > (missing) means to society to stay healthy and sane. > > (JM) > > > > Now to Brent's addendum: > > > > I agree - although Brent, too, has fallen into the trap of a > misidentified > > problem-view: the equalization of wealth, a 200 year obsolete idea that > > cannot work for several reasons. Socialism (not to even mentioning > > communism) are never realized (realizable?) dreams of idealists (calling > > themselves "materialists"). > > > > Then again I would not identify 'the rich' as > > "...people who live comfortably solely on their investments..." > > which may not be objectionable (ppensioners, etc.) but the USERS of > wealth > > in directing the life of the country. Though they may do so, they should > > contribute from their share of fortune to the expenses. > > And PLEASE, Brent, do not even utter in econo-political discussion the > word > > "FAIRNESS"! > > > > John M > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 3:29 PM, meekerdb > > <meeke...@verizon.net<+meeke...@verizon.net>> > wrote: > >> > >> On 9/3/2012 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> > >> 3) It's also probably why taxing the rich ultimnately doesn''t work, > >> it lowers everybody's income to fit the curve. A nd why trickle > >> down doesn't work. > >> > >> > >> I do agree with this. The leftist idea of distributing richness cannot > >> work for many reasons. But richness must be based on facts, and not on > >> propaganda. Today we are living a perversion of capitalism, because too > much > >> investment are money stealing in disguise. The whole oil, and military > >> industries, jail systems, and pharmaceutical industries are build on > sands. > >> It will crumbled down, and the sooner the better. But it will take time > as > >> the most of the middle class and banks are hostage (not always > knowingly) of > >> professional liars. > >> > >> > >> I'm not sure what is meant by 'taxing the rich doesn't ultimately work'? > >> If it means it doesn't produce equality and prosperity, I'd agree. But > in > >> the U.S. the tax rate paid by the rich has been higher (even much > higher) in > >> the past and at the same time there was prosperity and economic growth. > Now > >> the rich (by which I mean people who live comfortably solely on their > >> investments) pay a lower tax rate than the poorest working person. So > >> 'taxing the rich' can certainly work in the sense of fairness. > >> > >> Brent > >> > >> -- > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To post to this group, send email to > > everything-list@googlegroups.com.<+everything-list@googlegroups.com.> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.<+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.> > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to > everything-list@googlegroups.com.<+everything-list@googlegroups.com.> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+ > unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. <+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.> > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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