On Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:13:57 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 9/16/2012 8:42 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 15, 2012 6:21:14 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > >> Moreover, this >> set has subsets, and we can limit our discussion to these subsets. For >> example, if we are interested only in mass, we can simulate a human >> perfectly using the right number of rocks. Even someone who believes >> in an immortal soul would agree with this. >> > > No, I don't agree with it at all. You are eating the menu. A quantity of > mass doesn't simulate anything except in your mind. Mass is a normative > abstraction which we apply in comparing physical bodies with each other. To > reduce a human being to a physical body is not a simulation is it only > weighing a bag of organic molecules. > > > Thus we can realistically claim that the physical world is exactly and > only all things that we (as we truly are) have in common. What must be > understood is that as the number of participating entities increase to > infinity, the number of "things in common" goes to zero. Only for a large > but finite set of entities will there be a semi-large number of relations > that the entities have in common and not have a degeneracy relation between > them. >
That's exactly the backbone equivalence of multisense realism. As the most common denominators, the characteristics of quanta are the most impersonal and common forms of qualia. Because of the privacy of qualia, it really drains almost everything out of it to make it shared to the point of near universality. Qualia drained of most quality is really involuted qualia, but because it has no existence of its own, it doesn't commute the other way around. Qualia isn't involuted quanta, as quanta isn't anything without first being qualia. Both logical algebras and topologies are quanta. They are reductions of qualia, not particles or qualia-free informaiton which generate qualia. An mp3 file is a compression, not of music, but of the articulations of current which matches the acoustic dynamic conditions associated with sound perception. We can intellectually match the data of the mp3 file with any external topology (eardrum, needle on vinyl, speaker, laser pits on a CD, etc), and the logical algebra which (figuratively) animates that topology ( f(mp3)), but they only relate to each other, and not any kind of subjective experience. > A black Hole is a nice demonstration of the degeneracy idea. The > effect of gravity is the force of degeneracy, when all the ground states > are forces to normalize and become identical with each other, the "space" > and "delay" (time) that is different between them collapses to zero and > thus we get singularity in the limit of the degeneracy. > That's cool. I can see that in my terms too, with gravity being like Kryptonite to motive participation. Systems lose their ability to differentiate themselves from a large mass. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/LMMkFn7WhiwJ. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.