On 9/16/2012 12:49 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:13:57 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 9/16/2012 8:42 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, September 15, 2012 6:21:14 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
set has subsets, and we can limit our discussion to these
example, if we are interested only in mass, we can simulate a
perfectly using the right number of rocks. Even someone who
in an immortal soul would agree with this.
No, I don't agree with it at all. You are eating the menu. A
quantity of mass doesn't simulate anything except in your mind.
Mass is a normative abstraction which we apply in comparing
physical bodies with each other. To reduce a human being to a
physical body is not a simulation is it only weighing a bag of
Thus we can realistically claim that the physical world is
exactly and only all things that we (as we truly are) have in
common. What must be understood is that as the number of
participating entities increase to infinity, the number of "things
in common" goes to zero. Only for a large but finite set of
entities will there be a semi-large number of relations that the
entities have in common and not have a degeneracy relation between
That's exactly the backbone equivalence of multisense realism. As the
most common denominators, the characteristics of quanta are the most
impersonal and common forms of qualia. Because of the privacy of
qualia, it really drains almost everything out of it to make it shared
to the point of near universality. Qualia drained of most quality is
really involuted qualia, but because it has no existence of its own,
it doesn't commute the other way around. Qualia isn't involuted
quanta, as quanta isn't anything without first being qualia.
Both logical algebras and topologies are quanta. They are reductions
of qualia, not particles or qualia-free informaiton which generate
qualia. An mp3 file is a compression, not of music, but of the
articulations of current which matches the acoustic dynamic conditions
associated with sound perception. We can intellectually match the data
of the mp3 file with any external topology (eardrum, needle on vinyl,
speaker, laser pits on a CD, etc), and the logical algebra which
(figuratively) animates that topology ( f(mp3)), but they only relate
to each other, and not any kind of subjective experience.
A black Hole is a nice demonstration of the degeneracy idea.
The effect of gravity is the force of degeneracy, when all the
ground states are forces to normalize and become identical with
each other, the "space" and "delay" (time) that is different
between them collapses to zero and thus we get singularity in the
limit of the degeneracy.
That's cool. I can see that in my terms too, with gravity being like
Kryptonite to motive participation. Systems lose their ability to
differentiate themselves from a large mass.
Horray! We bisimulate!
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