Hi Alberto G. Corona I think every generation tries to overthrow the old, but it's not an individual psychology-based effort, it's tribal, political, sociological, the tools with which we identify and understand ourselves.
All of us join tribes as we grow up to help identify ourselves. It's a short-cut an alternative to doing psychotherapy. I'm in the Christian-Conservative tribe. But I used to be agnostic-liberal because I worked with such academic types. It was dangerous to be a chiristian conservative. Now I'm retired and the "real me" is allowed to come out. Tribes cannot understand or don't want to understand other tribes, it's not only unsafe, it's impossible, we speak different languages, so our arguments fall on deaf ears, the result usually being change of subject or no answer at all. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/14/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-14, 08:14:01 Subject: Re: Re: Moral evaluations of harm are instant and emotional,brainstudy shows I may be between both of you. I don't think that the hate in progressives is constitutive or inherent. I think that his hate of what is held a good beatiful and true is a consequence of his belief in a more perfect ggood, bbeatiful and ttrue, and our currently held concepts are an obstacle. I put double initial letters because for the progressives there is no Good, Beatiful and True, but a progress with no end. Conservatives, like me, believe that God Beatiful and True exist, and our lowecase conceptions reflect them. 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg On Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:43:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Alberto G. Corona It's much simpler than that, I think. Progressives hate everything resembles anything held to be good, beautiful, or true. Then your thoughts are simple-minded indeed. Gandhi, MLK, Einstein were haters of goodness, beauty, and truth? Progressives aren't artists or musicians? You can believe in black and white demagoguery if you like..that's exactly what Progressives want to leave behind. Craig [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] 12/13/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-13, 10:13:03 Subject: Re: Moral evaluations of harm are instant and emotional,brain study shows You said it: ."...in part because it (evolution) carried a sense of "progress" not found in Darwin's idea" Evolution is descriptive, is the fact. natural selection is the theory that explain it. A scientific theory impose constraints with what may and may not happen. For example, child caring and risk taking at the same time may not happen. That why progressives prefer the term evolution rather than atural selection. They want no constraints for his will of the transformation of themselves and their society according with its will. 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:48:45 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: so awareness and intention are before biology, so you seem to admit a teleology before life, like me. Teleology and teleonomy both predate life. They are what time is made of. I don`t find this ncompatible ith natural selection (or evolution, as left-leaning people likes to call it) Hahaha, I wasn't aware that the very term evolution was now politicized. Actually it looks like Darwin preferred another term: Charles Darwin used the word only once, in the closing paragraph of "The Origin of Species" (1859), and preferred descent with modification, in part because evolution already had been used in the 18c. homunculus theory of embryological development (first proposed under this name by Bonnet, 1762), in part because it carried a sense of "progress" not found in Darwin's idea. But Victorian belief in progress prevailed (along with brevity), and Herbert Spencer and other biologists popularized evolution. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=evolution So the reason that evolution was not Darwin's choice is precisely because he understood that it is not teleological. . You seem to admit natural selection up to a point but you reject it when we are talking to sensible human things like the sexual roles. Yes, natural selection only shapes things that already exist, it doesn't bring awareness or qualities of awareness into existence. You enjoy the fact that NS made female yenas to behave in ome politically correct ways (it seems). but you reject that NS selection make female humans behave s is in almost all the rest of the animal kingdom. That funny. I think it's funny that you think I'm citing some evidence supporting a left wing agenda. I'm only showing you that gender is not written in stone. It's something that most people are already aware of - although if you are over 60 then you have an excuse. Craig . 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg doing -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/sdpVQn09vMYJ. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. 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