Hi Craig Weinberg By progressives I obviously meant those that act to change things. Which means overthrowing the way the "good, the beautiful and the true" are thought to be and commonly accepted as. Thus one subverts morality, philosophy and religion, and aesthetics. It's a form of social darwinism. The dynamics of social change.
As with Darwinism, some of these changes have been good. Einstein, Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr. and Van Gogh certainly brought in good new things. But some are not so good. Nietzsche attempted to overthrow morality completely, and the poets, novellists, screenwriters and other artists, etc, have had mixed results, especially to sexual morality and human decency. Now young men think nothing of executing a kindergarten class. Twelve-tone music is listenable for a while, but it really has no unity or beauty. And popular music has discarded beautiful melodies and lyrics in favor of whining voices or those singing rap. Now living together without marriage has become the norm for young people, and we have indiscriminate sex and pornography. These destroy the basic unit of human existence, the family. Homosexual marriage also invalidates the meaning of marriage. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-13, 11:33:37 Subject: Re: Re: Moral evaluations of harm are instant and emotional,brainstudy shows On Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:43:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Alberto G. Corona It's much simpler than that, I think. Progressives hate everything resembles anything held to be good, beautiful, or true. Then your thoughts are simple-minded indeed. Gandhi, MLK, Einstein were haters of goodness, beauty, and truth? Progressives aren't artists or musicians? You can believe in black and white demagoguery if you like..that's exactly what Progressives want to leave behind. Craig [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] 12/13/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-13, 10:13:03 Subject: Re: Moral evaluations of harm are instant and emotional,brain study shows You said it: ."...in part because it (evolution) carried a sense of "progress" not found in Darwin's idea" Evolution is descriptive, is the fact. natural selection is the theory that explain it. A scientific theory impose constraints with what may and may not happen. For example, child caring and risk taking at the same time may not happen. That why progressives prefer the term evolution rather than atural selection. They want no constraints for his will of the transformation of themselves and their society according with its will. 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:48:45 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: so awareness and intention are before biology, so you seem to admit a teleology before life, like me. Teleology and teleonomy both predate life. They are what time is made of. I don`t find this ncompatible ith natural selection (or evolution, as left-leaning people likes to call it) Hahaha, I wasn't aware that the very term evolution was now politicized. Actually it looks like Darwin preferred another term: Charles Darwin used the word only once, in the closing paragraph of "The Origin of Species" (1859), and preferred descent with modification, in part because evolution already had been used in the 18c. homunculus theory of embryological development (first proposed under this name by Bonnet, 1762), in part because it carried a sense of "progress" not found in Darwin's idea. But Victorian belief in progress prevailed (along with brevity), and Herbert Spencer and other biologists popularized evolution. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=evolution So the reason that evolution was not Darwin's choice is precisely because he understood that it is not teleological. . You seem to admit natural selection up to a point but you reject it when we are talking to sensible human things like the sexual roles. Yes, natural selection only shapes things that already exist, it doesn't bring awareness or qualities of awareness into existence. You enjoy the fact that NS made female yenas to behave in ome politically correct ways (it seems). but you reject that NS selection make female humans behave s is in almost all the rest of the animal kingdom. That funny. I think it's funny that you think I'm citing some evidence supporting a left wing agenda. I'm only showing you that gender is not written in stone. It's something that most people are already aware of - although if you are over 60 then you have an excuse. Craig . 2012/12/13 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> doing -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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