On 20 Apr 2013, at 13:46, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:46:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 19 Apr 2013, at 13:56, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Qualia are generated,
With comp the qualia are not generated. They are arithmetical truth
seen from some point of view. They cannot even been defined, but it
can be shown that they obeys to some laws (including the maws of not
being definable).
but only by other qualia. By pointing out that qualia can have no
possible function, I am clarifying that in a universe defined
purely by function, that qualia cannot be possible.
This does not follow. Qualia might be epiphenomenal.
Whether qualia is epiphenomenal or not is up to the participant.
That is their role from 3p perspective, to select which sensory
affect they prefer or allow to influence their motive output, and
thus contribute to public realism. Free will is the active modality
of qualia, turning superpositioned epiphenomena into
thermodynamically committed phenomena.
But this does not follow for another reason: qualia have a function/
role, although in the intensional (program related) sense, and not
really in the usual extensional one (set of input-outputs). So it is
preferable to refer to computation instead of function, which is an
ambiguous term in computer science.
What role could qualia have to a program that would not be
accomplished by other quantitative means? Any number, for example,
can be used as a precise and absolutely unique identifier - why
would a colorful name be used instead of that? If we don't add in
high level names for our own benefit, by default strings like SIDs
and GUIDs are easier to use.
What this means is that the universe cannot be defined purely by
function. It cannot be a motor, machine, computer, zombie, or set
of all arithmetic truths.
This is vague. I can agree (in comp) and disagree (in comp).
If 'universe' denotes the big whole, by definition it has no input
nor output, and so is equivalent with the unique function from
nothing to nothing. The empty function = { }.
That's only if you assume a number system based on a null default. I
am using the totality as a default. The universe is the set of all
inputs and outputs; every significant function (not every function,
since the universe is not a nonsense generator of accidental sense
like UD, but an elitist aesthetic agenda which chooses which
functions to formally pay attention to/materialize and which to
leave as theoretical potentials).
So "universe" is already an intensional term, and should be handled
with intensional tools, like computer science, modal logic, etc.
Then assuming comp, we can explain how the physical universe
appearance is given by internal modalities, some locally sharable
(quanta), and some not locally sharable (qualia).
These tools are only useful to organize aesthetic phenomena which
already exist (insist). No logic or Doxastic framework can ever
account for qualia. Who cares if we know all of the things that
satisfy some relation to the experience of seeing red? That doesn't
let the blind see red.
We cannot know all the things that satisfy some relation of seeing
red, oeven of comuting x+y. Machines prove this or similar in their
own qualia theory, with some reasonable axiomatic of qualia.
You systematically talk about the machine we thought we knew before
the advent of the universal machine. You just confirms systematically
that you have not taken the time to study computer science.
Develop your theory, and then compare it to comp, if you want, but
then study it.
Bruno
Craig
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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