I don't deny that, but you still only need a more sophisticated algorithm, you don't need to 'see' anything or understand characters. > > >> There need not be any recognition of the character as a character at at >> all, let alone any "seeing". A program could convert a Word document into >> an input file for an OCR program without there ever being any optical >> activity - no camera, no screen caps, no monitor or printer at all. >> Completely in the dark, the bits of the Word file could be converted into >> the bits of an emulated optical scan, and presto, invisible optics. >> > > Sounds like what goes on when someone dreams in the dark. > If that were the case then we would not need a video screen, we could simply look at the part of the computer where the chip is showing videos to itself and put a big magnifying glass on it. > > >> >> Searle wasn't wrong. The whole point of the Chinese Room is to point out >> that computation is a disconnected, anesthetic function which is >> accomplished with no need for understanding of larger contexts. >> > > It doesn't point out anything, it is an intuition pump ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_pump ) that succeeds in swaying > people to an apparently obvious conclusion (if they don't think too deeply > about it). > Intuition pumps are exactly what are needed to understand consciousness. The conclusion is obvious because the alternative is absurd, and the absurdity stems from trying to project public physics into the realm of private physics. It is a category error and the Chinese Room demonstrates that. What makes you so sure that intuition is not the only way to find consciousness? Craig > > Jason > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.