On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

> On 27 May 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote:
> Bruno:
> do you indeed exclude the "other" animals from being selfconcious?
> ?
> No, not at all. My current feeling (for what is worth) is that
> consciousness begins with the bacteria, plants and all animals.
> And self-consciousness arise already with the invertebrates, like the
> cuttle fish, the octopus, some spiders. Of course those animals don't
> actually exploits the Löbianity (the self-consciousness level) a lot.
Indeed, when seen under time lapse these climbing vines seem quite



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