Dear Bruno, I would like to see more remarks from you on how you expect 'the physical laws' to be defined. I have tried to suggest a method, but it requires a way to define a means by which numbers can determine both a quantity of similarity and difference between themselves. I suggest that the notion of bisimulation between computations can be used...
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 01 Jul 2013, at 21:00, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > Hi Mitch, > > Great comments! I would only wonder why the BB concept is not seen, by > Susskind et al, as equivalent to the Observer Moment (or Barborian Time > Capsule) concept. My question is how do they justify the 'memory of a past > state' of a BB; or do they ignore this? Additionally, it seems that we can > easily stretch the BB idea into a "Last Thursdayism" concept. > > > I agree. And "physical BB" might not make computational sense, as some > comp state needs long histories to appear and stay stable. > > But it remains to be see, by the math, if deepness and linearity stabilize > consciousness enough to get physical laws like the one we infer from > observation. > > (Cf my comment to Mitch) > > Bruno > > > > On Monday, July 1, 2013 12:25:27 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: >> >> You'll likely hate my comment, but Susskind and Raphael Bousso are or >> were pretty big on Boltzmann Brains. The more I look at the words of >> physicists speaking about this phenomena (pro and con) the more it seems to >> be an evolving theology. Bostrom might also be into this. Conway may not >> even be aware of BB, and I would guess that Tegmark would laugh it all off. >> Which maybe he should. I am amzed and sometimes inspired by the discussions >> regarding this. Questions arise and evolve such as- >> >> In an infinite universe you'd produce more BB's them people >> What about a smaller number of BB's? >> Would these observers be as described? Having their own personal >> memories, and personalities, however false? >> Being of human level intelligence or better.? >> I asked Dr. Clough if a BB could be one of his Monads?? >> There has been a question asked out there internet-land, whether we exist >> as thoughs or ideas in one BB? >> Finally, is our BB, God? >> One Russian Physicist working in Peking wrote a paper that he saw BB's as >> likely, but that each cosmos would have it's own BB. >> >> It's mind-numbing and perhaps not even worth discussing (?) I apologize >> if this is too crazy, but it's what I have been interneting about the last >> couple of weeks. If Our BB did write a program that eventually created us, >> that might do it for me. Other's would say no. At any rate, it might be a >> nice thing to be friendly to our universe's BB, if only to enjoy >> commincating (if possible?) with such a brilliant mind. >> >> BB's were believed by Boltzmann to evolve from thermal differences in >> space. Sort of like Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy drive producing a air >> borne whale, falling to the surface of the planet, Magarthea. Or it might >> be one way to simply arrive, via thermal fluctuations. >> >> Well, string drink is called for. >> >> Mitch >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jason Resch <[email protected]> >> To: Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.**com>; foar < >> [email protected]> >> Sent: Sun, Jun 30, 2013 11:13 pm >> Subject: Worth while video >> >> On the subject of reality, featuring John Conway, Max Tegmark, Leonard >> Susskind, and Nick Bostrom: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=oyH2D4-tzfM<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyH2D4-tzfM> >> >> Jason >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-li...@**googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >> Visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/**group/everything-list<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list> >> . >> For more options, visit >> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >> . >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/R9N68B4A0Y4/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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