On 12 Jul 2013, at 21:25, meekerdb wrote:

On 7/11/2013 12:22 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The god of the materialist is Matter, and I don't believe in it. I am agnostic. I search.

I think you do believe in matter - you often refer to your coffee, for example. You just don't believe it is fundamental.

Yes. I believe in matter, but not in Matter.




But that's a very different thing. Money isn't fundamental, but I still believe I have some in the bank. I think you are disingenuous when you claim to have disproven matter and that materialists are wrong. Even if you are right, I think it will turn out that matter is necessary for consciousness and so matter, while not primitive, will underlie the world as a necessary layer between arithmetic and consciousness.

That's exactly my point, but I put in a precise and testable way.

Bruno


http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/



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