Hi Chaotic Inflation There is indeed a positive association between TCAs and suicide, (how strong it doesn't say) but otherwise there is a negative association. I wouldn't be surprised however, if there was a positive association for ALL antidepressants, as they don't work perfectly anyway. From my experience, I would say that they only reduce depression at best about 50%.
The relationship between antidepressant medication use and rate of suicide. Gibbons RD, Hur K, Bhaumik DK, Mann JJ. Source Center for Health Statistics, University of Illinois at Chicago, USA. RESULTS: The overall relationship between antidepressant medication prescription and suicide rate was not significant. Within individual classes of antidepressants, prescriptions for selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) and other new-generation non-SSRI antidepressants (eg, nefazodone hydrochloride, mirtazapine, bupropion hydrochloride, and venlafaxine hydrochloride) are associated with lower suicide rates (both within and between counties). A positive association between tricyclic antidepressant (TCA) prescription and suicide rate was observed. Results are adjusted for age, sex, race, income, and county-to-county variability in suicide rates. Higher suicide rates in rural areas are associated with fewer antidepressant prescriptions, lower income, and relatively more prescriptions for TCAs. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] ee my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Chaotic Inflation Receiver: [email protected],[email protected],[email protected],[email protected] Time: 2013-08-05, 04:38:01 Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx]Fw:Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this >dude you need to get off this obsession with liberals that you have and >analyze the facts.... look up Prozac defense and homicide rate with SSRIs >..... also look up the Columbine incident and how that's linked to >antidepressants..... and if this wasn't true, they wouldn't have had to shell >out millions of dollars in class action lawsuits, and psychiatrists themselves >are now railing against the widespread overuse of antidepressants...... this >has nothing to do with politics. > > >________________________________ > From: Roger Clough >To: theoretical_physics ; 4dworldx <[email protected]>; >theoretical_physics_board >Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:21 AM >Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] >Fw:Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this > > > > >Hi Chaotic Inflation > >I think those are typical liberal lies. > > >Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] >See my Leibniz site at >http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough > >----- Receiving the following content ----- >From: Chaotic Inflation >Receiver: >[email protected],[email protected],[email protected],[email protected] > >Time: 2013-08-04, 00:33:01 >Subject: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] >Fw:Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this > >>From what I've read some (prozac especially, but also others) cause violent >>tendencies in teenagers..... the side effects are vastly different in >>children with developing brains. >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Roger Clough >>To: 4dworldx <[email protected]>; theoretical_physics >>Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:00 AM >>Subject: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: >>Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this >> >> >> >> >>Hi Chaotic Inflation >> >>Antidepressants are probably overprescribed, but they only help you if you >>are depressed, >>otherwise I am told that they have no effect (they surely don't make you >>high), so why would anybody >>keep paying even the copay ? My suspicion is that they are useful and so >>needed. >> >>Without God, it's a depressing world. >> >> >> >>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] >>See my Leibniz site at >>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough >> >> >>----- Receiving the following content ----- >>From: Chaotic Inflation >>Receiver: [email protected],[email protected] >>Time: 2013-08-03, 03:49:37 >>Subject: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: >>Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this >> >> >> >> >>>Obviously this isn't an all size all fits scenario, you have a serious >>>condition, but they are way overprescribed, especially to children and those >>>with only mild or moderate condition, which studies have shown respond much >>>better to counseling and lifestyle changes and which alternatives dont have >>>the serious side effects. Your condition clearly isn't mild or moderate and >>>therefore you need them. The pharmaceutical industry, like with statins, has >>>been trying to expand its market as much as possible, to people who dont >>>need them instead of concentrating on the ones who really do- hence the >>>television ads. >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Roger Clough >>>To: 4dworldx <[email protected]>; theoretical_physics_board ; >>>theoretical_physics >>>Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 5:58 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: >>>Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi Chaotic Inflation >>> >>>I've been on anti-depressants for 30 years and would >>>be dead without them. >>> >>> >>> >>>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] >>>See my Leibniz site at >>>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough >>> >>> >>>----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>From: Chaotic Inflation >>>Receiver: >>>[email protected],[email protected],[email protected],[email protected] >>> >>>Time: 2013-08-01, 21:29:12 >>>Subject: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: >>>Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Yes, the sad fact is that most psychotropic drugs dont cure anything but >>>>put people in a state of sluggishness that makes them not really care about >>>>anything. >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> From: Anna >>>>To: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>>[email protected] >>>>Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:25 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but >>>>think about this >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I tried once. Makes you very dull and uncreative. >>>>Anna >>>> >>>>From: Chaotic Inflation >>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:23 PM >>>>To: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; >>>>[email protected] >>>>Subject: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but >>>>think about this >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I agree, I think they have good intentions however the end result would be >>>>disastrous. Although not all have good intentions, some have argued that >>>>introducing lithium would be a good way to ensure "compliance" and curb >>>>anti >>>>authoritarian behavior >>>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> From: Roger Clough >>>>To: theoretical_physics_board >>>> >>>>Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:45 >>>>AM >>>>Subject: Re: Re: Re: >>>>[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Chaotic Inflation >>>> >>>>Lithium carbonate is a poison for most of us. >>>>Even for those with >>>>bipolar depression, it needs to be carefully monitored, >>>>and they >>>>can't be already taking it. >>>> >>>>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) >>>>[1/1/2000] >>>>See my Leibniz site >>>>at >>>>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Receiving the >>>>following content ----- >>>>From: Chaotic Inflation >>>>Receiver: mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com >>>>Time: 2013-08-01, 03:17:43 >>>>Subject: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] >>>>OK, but think about this >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Probably lol- what's your >>>>position on some psychiatrists' wanting lithium in the water supply though? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>________________________________ >>>>> From: Roger >>>>Clough >>>>>To: theoretical_physics_board >>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 1, >>>>2013 2:16 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think >>>>about this >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Hi Chaotic Inflation >>>>> >>>>>It won't make people happy, but putting contraceptives in the >>>>drinking water should >>>>>stop over-population. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] >>>>>See my Leibniz site at >>>>>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>>>From: Chaotic >>>>Inflation >>>>>Receiver: mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com >>>>>Time: 2013-07-31, 21:26:42 >>>>>Subject: Re: >>>>[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The problem is, what works in a petri dish is time limited- >>>>those studies only go forward for a few months, while years down the line, >>>>things can be much different- and I contend this is exactly why we've seen >>>>much >>>>higher rates of certain illnesses. Man, reading that story about Agent >>>>Orange >>>>and the 200,000 kids born with birth defects really turned my stomach, and >>>>Monsanto had to shell out 230 million in a settlement and yet still denied >>>>responsibility? Evil endures. And now that glysophate has stopped working >>>>they >>>>want to use it on crops- what?! Haha, expect that company to be blown out >>>>of >>>>existence in the next few years. Dont think many tears will be shed. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>> From: Allen Francom >>>>>>To: "mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com"; >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:22 PM >>>>>>Subject: Re: >>>>[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>This is actually >>>>a heck of a topic >>>>>> >>>>>>Because... Malthusians "do the math", >>>>right or wrong, they still do it... >>>>>> >>>>>>What works in a >>>>Petri-dish works for us too ? >>>>>> >>>>>>Likely so >>>>>> >>>>>>EXCEPT - we are good at inventing new corn and wheat, right or wrong >>>>at that too, >>>>>>we still feed more people than have seemingly ever even >>>>existed in entire history. >>>>>> >>>>>>Shoulder to the wheel >>>>everyone >>>>>> >>>>>>Reach for the stars >>>>>> >>>>>>Or bust >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>> From: Chaotic >>>>Inflation >>>>>>To: "mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com"; >>>>; "mailto:4dworldx%40yahoogroups.com"; >>>>; >>>>"mailto:theoretical_physics_board%40yahoogroups.com"; >>>>; "mailto:theoretical_physics%40yahoogroups.com"; >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:02 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: >>>>[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Nah, that's the wrong way to look at it, >>>>humanity isn't being "controlled" it's just a fact of nature that this is >>>>what >>>>happens when one species dominates a planet for too long- it has nothing to >>>>do >>>>with "hating" anyone, but recognizing how the planet keeps everything in >>>>balance- for the benefit of the entire planet, rather than just one >>>>species. In >>>>the long run it benefits everyone, including humans. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>> From: Stephen P. King >>>>>>To: mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:21 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: >>>>[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Is humanity a blight to be controlled? If >>>>so, we should we worry about shoving the throttle to full speed ahead and >>>>get >>>>the blight over with forthwith? Nature seems to manage to take care of >>>>things >>>>quite well w/o us... The inconsistency of the "Humanity Haters" confuses >>>>me, >>>>sorry... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On >>>>7/30/2013 10:18 PM, Chaotic Inflation wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>The ice >>>>ages actually performed a very necessary function if this is true- by >>>>reducing >>>>the human population- thus preventing a much greater disaster. I think we >>>>are >>>>overdue for one of these cataclysmic events and another reduction of the >>>>human >>>>population. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Either way, we'll >>>>be off of primitive fossil fuels long before any of this comes to pass- a >>>>couple >>>>hundred years is a drop in the bucket on all scales but the limited >>>>lifespans of >>>>human beings. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Onward! >>>>Stephen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. 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