My question is serious. I know that Roger was atheist liberal guy which was dependent on antidepressive drugs and in a certain moment he became conservative very active at least in this list. I want to know when why and how. You somekind something
2013/8/5 chris peck <chris_peck...@hotmail.com> > Hi Alby > > Roger is pro-drugs in the thread below you dozy dipstick. ;) > > Its the liberal who is arguing for soft headed psycotherapy. its the > pharmaceutical company vs. The lilly livered liberal script. > > Get with the program you silly sausage! > > --- Original Message --- > > From: "Alberto G. Corona" <agocor...@gmail.com> > Sent: 5 August 2013 11:59 PM > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Cc: "theoretical_physics" <theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com>, > "theoretical_physics_board" <theoretical_physics_bo...@yahoogroups.com>, > "- mindbr...@yahoogroups.com" <mindbr...@yahoogroups.com>, "4dworldx" < > 4dwor...@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: Fw: antidepressants and suicide > > Hi Roger, > > When did you stopped being a depressed, drug dependent, liberal and became > an hyperactive conservative? > > > 2013/8/5 Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> > > > Sorry I forgot to put in the linK ; > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15699293 > > > >Hi Chaotic Inflation > > > >There is indeed a positive association between TCAs and suicide, > >(how strong it doesn't say) but otherwise there is a negative association. > >I wouldn't be surprised however, if there was a positive association for > ALL antidepressants, > >as they don't work perfectly anyway. From my experience, > >I would say that they only reduce depression at best about 50%. > > > > > >The relationship between antidepressant medication use and rate of > suicide. > > > >Gibbons RD, Hur K, Bhaumik DK, Mann JJ. > >Source > > > >Center for Health Statistics, University of Illinois at Chicago, USA. > >RESULTS: > > > >The overall relationship between antidepressant medication prescription > and suicide rate was not significant. > >Within individual classes of antidepressants, prescriptions for selective > serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) > >and other new-generation non-SSRI antidepressants (eg, nefazodone > hydrochloride, mirtazapine, > > bupropion hydrochloride, and venlafaxine hydrochloride) > > are associated with lower suicide rates (both within and between > counties). A positive association between > >tricyclic antidepressant (TCA) prescription and suicide rate was > observed. Results are adjusted for age, sex, race, income, > >and county-to-county variability in suicide rates. Higher suicide rates > in rural areas are associated with fewer antidepressant > > prescriptions, lower income, and relatively more prescriptions for TCAs. > > > > > > > >Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] > > > > > >ee my Leibniz site at > >http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough > > > > > >----- Receiving the following content ----- > >From: Chaotic Inflation > >Receiver: 4dwor...@yahoogroups.com,4dwor...@yahoogroups.com, > theoretical_physics_bo...@yahoogroups.com, > theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com > >Time: 2013-08-05, 04:38:01 > >Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: > [4DWorldx]Fw:Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this > > > > > > > > > >>dude you need to get off this obsession with liberals that you have and > analyze the facts.... look up Prozac defense and homicide rate with SSRIs > ..... also look up the Columbine incident and how that's linked to > antidepressants..... and if this wasn't true, they wouldn't have had to > shell out millions of dollars in class action lawsuits, and psychiatrists > themselves are now railing against the widespread overuse of > antidepressants...... this has nothing to do with politics. > >> > >> > >>________________________________ > >> From: Roger Clough > >>To: theoretical_physics ; 4dworldx <4dwor...@yahoogroups.com>; > theoretical_physics_board > >>Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:21 AM > >>Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] > Fw:Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Hi Chaotic Inflation > >> > >>I think those are typical liberal lies. > >> > >> > >>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] > >>See my Leibniz site at > >>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough > >> > >>----- Receiving the following content ----- > >>From: Chaotic Inflation > >>Receiver: theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com,4dwor...@yahoogroups.com, > theoretical_physics_bo...@yahoogroups.com, > theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com > >>Time: 2013-08-04, 00:33:01 > >>Subject: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] > Fw:Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this > >> > >>>From what I've read some (prozac especially, but also others) cause > violent tendencies in teenagers..... the side effects are vastly different > in children with developing brains. > >>> > >>> > >>>________________________________ > >>> From: Roger Clough > >>>To: 4dworldx <4dwor...@yahoogroups.com>; theoretical_physics > >>>Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:00 AM > >>>Subject: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: > Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Hi Chaotic Inflation > >>> > >>>Antidepressants are probably overprescribed, but they only help you if > you are depressed, > >>>otherwise I am told that they have no effect (they surely don't make > you high), so why would anybody > >>>keep paying even the copay ? My suspicion is that they are useful and > so needed. > >>> > >>>Without God, it's a depressing world. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] > >>>See my Leibniz site at > >>>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough > >>> > >>> > >>>----- Receiving the following content ----- > >>>From: Chaotic Inflation > >>>Receiver: 4dwor...@yahoogroups.com,theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com > >>>Time: 2013-08-03, 03:49:37 > >>>Subject: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: > Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Obviously this isn't an all size all fits scenario, you have a serious > condition, but they are way overprescribed, especially to children and > those with only mild or moderate condition, which studies have shown > respond much better to counseling and lifestyle changes and which > alternatives dont have the serious side effects. Your condition clearly > isn't mild or moderate and therefore you need them. The pharmaceutical > industry, like with statins, has been trying to expand its market as much > as possible, to people who dont need them instead of concentrating on the > ones who really do- hence the television ads. > >>>> > >>>>________________________________ > >>>> From: Roger Clough > >>>>To: 4dworldx <4dwor...@yahoogroups.com>; theoretical_physics_board ; > theoretical_physics > >>>>Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 5:58 AM > >>>>Subject: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: > Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Hi Chaotic Inflation > >>>> > >>>>I've been on anti-depressants for 30 years and would > >>>>be dead without them. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] > >>>>See my Leibniz site at > >>>>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>----- Receiving the following content ----- > >>>>From: Chaotic Inflation > >>>>Receiver: 4dwor...@yahoogroups.com,4dwor...@yahoogroups.com, > theoretical_physics_bo...@yahoogroups.com, > theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com > >>>>Time: 2013-08-01, 21:29:12 > >>>>Subject: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: > Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Yes, the sad fact is that most psychotropic drugs dont cure anything > but put people in a state of sluggishness that makes them not really care > about anything. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>________________________________ > >>>>> From: Anna > >>>>>To: 4dwor...@yahoogroups.com; > theoretical_physics_bo...@yahoogroups.com; > theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com > >>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:25 PM > >>>>>Subject: Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, > but think about this > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>I tried once. Makes you very dull and uncreative. > >>>>>Anna > >>>>> > >>>>>From: Chaotic Inflation > >>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:23 PM > >>>>>To: 4dwor...@yahoogroups.com ; > theoretical_physics_bo...@yahoogroups.com ; > theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com > >>>>>Subject: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but > >>>>>think about this > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>I agree, I think they have good intentions however the end result > would be > >>>>>disastrous. Although not all have good intentions, some have argued > that > >>>>>introducing lithium would be a good way to ensure "compliance" and > curb anti > >>>>>authoritarian behavior > >>>>> > >>>>>________________________________ > >>>>> From: Roger Clough > >>>>>To: theoretical_physics_board > >>>>> > >>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:45 > >>>>>AM > >>>>>Subject: Re: Re: Re: > >>>>>[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Hi Chaotic Inflation > >>>>> > >>>>>Lithium carbonate is a poison for most of us. > >>>>>Even for those with > >>>>>bipolar depression, it needs to be carefully monitored, > >>>>>and they > >>>>>can't be already taking it. > >>>>> > >>>>>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) > >>>>>[1/1/2000] > >>>>>See my Leibniz site > >>>>>at > >>>>>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>----- Receiving the > >>>>>following content ----- > >>>>>From: Chaotic Inflation > >>>>>Receiver: mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com > >>>>>Time: 2013-08-01, 03:17:43 > >>>>>Subject: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] > >>>>>OK, but think about this > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Probably lol- what's your > >>>>>position on some psychiatrists' wanting lithium in the water supply > though? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>________________________________ > >>>>>> From: Roger > >>>>>Clough > >>>>>>To: theoretical_physics_board > >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 1, > >>>>>2013 2:16 AM > >>>>>>Subject: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think > >>>>>about this > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Hi Chaotic Inflation > >>>>>> > >>>>>>It won't make people happy, but putting contraceptives in the > >>>>>drinking water should > >>>>>>stop over-population. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] > >>>>>>See my Leibniz site at > >>>>>>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>----- Receiving the following content ----- > >>>>>>From: Chaotic > >>>>>Inflation > >>>>>>Receiver: mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com > >>>>>>Time: 2013-07-31, 21:26:42 > >>>>>>Subject: Re: > >>>>>[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>The problem is, what works in a petri dish is time limited- > >>>>>those studies only go forward for a few months, while years down the > line, > >>>>>things can be much different- and I contend this is exactly why we've > seen much > >>>>>higher rates of certain illnesses. Man, reading that story about > Agent Orange > >>>>>and the 200,000 kids born with birth defects really turned my > stomach, and > >>>>>Monsanto had to shell out 230 million in a settlement and yet still > denied > >>>>>responsibility? Evil endures. And now that glysophate has stopped > working they > >>>>>want to use it on crops- what?! Haha, expect that company to be blown > out of > >>>>>existence in the next few years. Dont think many tears will be shed. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>________________________________ > >>>>>>> From: Allen Francom > >>>>>>>To: "mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com"; > >>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:22 PM > >>>>>>>Subject: Re: > >>>>>[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>This is actually > >>>>>a heck of a topic > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Because... Malthusians "do the math", > >>>>>right or wrong, they still do it... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>What works in a > >>>>>Petri-dish works for us too ? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Likely so > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>EXCEPT - we are good at inventing new corn and wheat, right or wrong > >>>>>at that too, > >>>>>>>we still feed more people than have seemingly ever even > >>>>>existed in entire history. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Shoulder to the wheel > >>>>>everyone > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Reach for the stars > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Or bust > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>________________________________ > >>>>>>> From: Chaotic > >>>>>Inflation > >>>>>>>To: "mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com"; > >>>>>; "mailto:4dworldx%40yahoogroups.com"; > >>>>>; > >>>>>"mailto:theoretical_physics_board%40yahoogroups.com"; > >>>>>; "mailto:theoretical_physics%40yahoogroups.com"; > >>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:02 AM > >>>>>>>Subject: Re: > >>>>>[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Nah, that's the wrong way to look at it, > >>>>>humanity isn't being "controlled" it's just a fact of nature that > this is what > >>>>>happens when one species dominates a planet for too long- it has > nothing to do > >>>>>with "hating" anyone, but recognizing how the planet keeps everything > in > >>>>>balance- for the benefit of the entire planet, rather than just one > species. In > >>>>>the long run it benefits everyone, including humans. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>________________________________ > >>>>>>> From: Stephen P. King > >>>>>>>To: mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com > >>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:21 AM > >>>>>>>Subject: Re: > >>>>>[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Is humanity a blight to be controlled? If > >>>>>so, we should we worry about shoving the throttle to full speed ahead > and get > >>>>>the blight over with forthwith? Nature seems to manage to take care > of things > >>>>>quite well w/o us... The inconsistency of the "Humanity Haters" > confuses me, > >>>>>sorry... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>On > >>>>>7/30/2013 10:18 PM, Chaotic Inflation wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>The ice > >>>>>ages actually performed a very necessary function if this is true- by > reducing > >>>>>the human population- thus preventing a much greater disaster. I > think we are > >>>>>overdue for one of these cataclysmic events and another reduction of > the human > >>>>>population. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Either way, we'll > >>>>>be off of primitive fossil fuels long before any of this comes to > pass- a couple > >>>>>hundred years is a drop in the bucket on all scales but the limited > lifespans of > >>>>>human beings. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>-- > >>>>>>>Onward! > >>>>>Stephen > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) 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