Brent wrote: *Just *any* response? Doesn't the response have to be something we can identify as intelligent or purposeful?* Depends on your definition of 'intelligent or purposeful' - Oh, and of RESPONSE of course. My def. of response includes your characterisation. * Brent wrote: * So do you agree that if we build a machine, such as a Mars Rover, that exhibits intelligence in its response then we may conclude it is aware/conscious?* Aware like a thermostat? conscious like the response of it? YES. We use loose meanings and draw even looser conclusions. We are loosers.
Bren t wrote: *To exhibit intelligence the Rover would have to do more than "follow instructions", it would have to learn from experience, act and plan through simulation and prediction. If it did exhibit intelligence like that, I'd grant it 'consciousness', whatever that means. If it learns and acts based on chemical types I'd grant it has a sense of smell. To say it's "conscious" is just a way of modeling how it learns and acts that we can relate to (what Dennett calls "the intentional stance").* * * That's exactly what I called your 'right' to call *consciousness* whatever fits your purpose. I have no firm rules between "conscious" and its noun (-ness). Both may be related to the 'inventory' we know of. JM * * * * * * * * On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 9:59 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 8/17/2013 2:01 PM, John Mikes wrote: > > Consciousness is different: it is a hoax some high hatted > scientists/pholosophers invented to make themselves smart. No basis, every > author uses the term for a content that fits her/his theoretical stance. > Me, too. > Mine is: a response to relations we get to know about. Nothing more. Not > human/elephant/dolphin, not universe, not awareness, not nothing, just > RESPONSE. > > > Just *any* response? Doesn't the response have to be something we can > identify as intelligent or purposeful? > > > By anything on anything. You may even include the figments of the > Physical World into the inventory. > > > So do you agree that if we build a machine, such as a Mars Rover, that > exhibits intelligence in its response then we may conclude it is > aware/conscious? > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
