Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 03:07:46 +0200
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood
Chris,
No I don't need to invoke morality, the price I pay for that is to
have
to explain explicity what I mean by a "good outcome", what measure I
choose here to determine this, etc.
9/11 was a good thing to have happened, despite the perpetrators not
having "good" intentions, i.e. the perpetrators of 9/11 wanted to
achieve something that I would not have preferred. You are
invoking the
concept of "moral quality of an act", not me.
"Moral philosophy"???. Well, I consider philosophy to be
pseudoscience,
I already told you what I think about morality, so I don't have to
tell
you what I think about "moral philosophy".
Morality in previous centuries has been invoked to justify the
burning
of people at the Stake for blasphemy, no one at the time argued that
this was "immoral" based on a reading of all those philosophers. So,
it's of no use other than to condemn people we don't like. Not
invoking
morality will force you to use rational arguments.
John is a good example, he doesn't read past the first sentence
when I
wrote hat 9/11 was a good thing to have happend, because he has
programmed a concept of "morality" in his brain to create a mental
block in such a case. Whatever explanation I give has to be wrong
because his sense of "morality" (which he can't expand on), tells
him
so.
Saibal
Citeren chris peck <[email protected]>:
> Hi Saibal
>
> When you say something is "good" you have some concept of
morality in
> mind whether you like it or not. Otherwise comments like 'this is
> good' or 'that is good' are meaningless gibberish. In your case
it is
> very obviously consequentialism you have in mind because you are
> attempting to balance outcomes in order to quantify the moral
quality
> of an act. Typically the fact an event like 9/11 can, through some
> specious reasoning, be equated to a 'good' has been regarded as a
> reason to abandon the kind of reasoning you are fumbling with.
But I
> suspect you are too stubborn to acknowledge a few thousand years
of
> moral philosophy and rather than stand on the shoulders of giants
> prefer to swill around in the gutter. This is why John is right to
> call you an ass. Your 'arguments' show no more moral wit than a
> donkey.
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: [email protected]
> Sent: 28 August 2013 6:14 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood
>
> Morality is an ill defined concept, you can just as well invoke
> religion. I never appeal to any notion of "morality", when I say
that
> something is "good", then I have some specific outcome in mind.
I think
> I did explain that.
>
>
> An alien visiting the Earth may well conclude that the "right"
thing to
> do is to exterminate all humans from the face of the Earth,
citing the
> damage we do to the environment and the fact that we are not
going to
> be persuaded to change our ways. From an animal life
conservation point
> of view that decision can be argued to be the "right decision".
>
>
>
> Citeren John Clark <[email protected]>:
>
>> A professional ass who goes by the pseudonym <[email protected]>
because
>> he's understandably too embarrassed to give his real name wrote:
>>
>>> The modern history of Guatemala was decisively shaped by the
>>> U.S.-organized invasion and overthrow of [blah blah]
>>>
>>
>> Dear Mr. Ass
>>
>> Once somebody knows that you said "supporting the Nazis was the
right thing
>> for the Arabs back then" and "I believe that 9/11 was a good
thing", why on
>> earth would anybody who was not drooling and locked inside a
rubber room be
>> interested in your opinion of the morality of ANYTHING?
>>
>> John K Clark
>>
>>
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