On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 5:47 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com>wrote: > > >chris Lol. >> A good mockig of the reductionist obsession with the details and >> despising the big picture. For sure you have work hard to certify that John >> has asked that three times and not more nor less. >> > > And now, because it is so important, I am going to ask for a FOURTH time > for somebody to tell me one thing that no nothing bozos like Popper and > Feyerabend who like to call themselves philosophers have discovered in the > last 2 centuries that is deep, clear, precise, unexpected and true that > scientists had not discovered long before. Come on, these guys are your > heroes, you should be able to think of SOMETHING! > > John K Clark > > You pretend this, but don't want to hear an answer. The way you frame the question, it is impossible that John K Clark will find whatever somebody might think to qualify, to not be bogus! Your competitive tone indicates this. A bogosity trap where some fly is given a seductive but poisonous trap to answer a seemingly harmless question...hmm. I'll go for the trap, but instead of answering with some personal hero or purely philosophical insight, I'll literally bring poison for the poisoned trap: deep, clear, precise, unexpected, and true + discovered in the last 2 centuries by philosopher who is "not scientist" by John Clark's arbitrary standards? Ok. Aldous Huxley, writer and philosophical mystic, not "scientist" in your book, discovers and articulates to the broad public that mescaline is effective at eliciting a subjective experiences that harmonize with the following kinds of philosophies, observations, and mysticisms: *By 12:30 pm, a vase of flowers becomes the "miracle, moment by moment, of naked existence". The experience, he asserts, is neither agreeable nor disagreeable, but simply "is". He likens it to Meister Eckhart<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meister_Eckhart>'s "istigheit" or "is-ness", and Plato <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato>'s "Being" but not separated from "Becoming". He feels he understands the Hindu<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu>concept of Satchitananda <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satchitananda>, as well as the Zen <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen> koan<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koan>that "the dharma body of the Buddha is in the hedge" and Buddhist suchness <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tath%C4%81t%C4%81/Dharmat%C4%81>. In this state, Huxley explains he didn't have an "I", but instead a "not-I". Meaning and existence, pattern and colour become more significant than spatial relationships and time. Duration is replaced by a perpetual present. * Mescaline had been discovered and isolated by Hefter, or your understanding of "science" in 1898, but without the above link. This, thousands of years later (at least 5600 to be precise) than Huichol and other Native American tribes had intuitively and via bioassay verified the assignment of 1person pov mystical experience through cactus. Huxley verified that this class of subjective state is real, not merely tribal superstition as "science" has held up to that point (and because of prohibition/corruption/cowardice still does to large extent), gave a clear dosage, and described the unexpected link between ingestion of some molecule or plant and a set of mystic positions and experiences of various cultures on the globe throughout the ages. Aldous Huxley is not a personal hero of mine. But I do admire the step: "YO wait just a second! This isn't just some provincial superstitious nonsense. 400 milligrams and funky 1st person effect is real." Your version of "Science" did not uncover the 1 person reality of such states in any shape or form for the last few hundred years. It didn't even do so in the last hundred years. It took at philosophical mystic to state this connection. PGC > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.