On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> deep, clear, precise, unexpected, and true + discovered in the last 2 > centuries by philosopher who is "not scientist" by John Clark's arbitrary > standards? Ok. Aldous Huxley, writer and philosophical mystic, not > "scientist" in your book, > But I loved his book Brave New World, I first read it when I was about 10 and reread it just a few months ago. > discovers and articulates to the broad public that mescaline is effective > at eliciting a subjective experiences that harmonize with the following > kinds of philosophies, observations, and mysticisms: > People have been drinking alcohol for at least 7000 years because it alters their perception of the world, and they have been eating Peyote, who's active ingredient is mescaline, for almost as long. I like Aldous Huxley, and like his grandfather and brother even more, but I don't see how reporting on something that people have known for thousands of years is new or unexpected. John K Clark > > *By 12:30 pm, a vase of flowers becomes the "miracle, moment by moment, > of naked existence". The experience, he asserts, is neither agreeable nor > disagreeable, but simply "is". He likens it to Meister > Eckhart<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meister_Eckhart>'s > "istigheit" or "is-ness", and Plato <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato>'s > "Being" but not separated from "Becoming". He feels he understands the > Hindu <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu> concept of > Satchitananda<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satchitananda>, > as well as the Zen <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen> > koan<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koan>that "the dharma body of the Buddha > is in the hedge" and Buddhist > suchness <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tath%C4%81t%C4%81/Dharmat%C4%81>. > In this state, Huxley explains he didn't have an "I", but instead a > "not-I". Meaning and existence, pattern and colour become more significant > than spatial relationships and time. Duration is replaced by a perpetual > present. > > * > Mescaline had been discovered and isolated by Hefter, or your > understanding of "science" in 1898, but without the above link. This, > thousands of years later (at least 5600 to be precise) than Huichol and > other Native American tribes had intuitively and via bioassay verified the > assignment of 1person pov mystical experience through cactus. > > Huxley verified that this class of subjective state is real, not merely > tribal superstition as "science" has held up to that point (and because of > prohibition/corruption/cowardice still does to large extent), gave a clear > dosage, and described the unexpected link between ingestion of some > molecule or plant and a set of mystic positions and experiences of various > cultures on the globe throughout the ages. > > Aldous Huxley is not a personal hero of mine. But I do admire the step: > "YO wait just a second! This isn't just some provincial superstitious > nonsense. 400 milligrams and funky 1st person effect is real." > Your version of "Science" did not uncover the 1 person reality of such > states in any shape or form for the last few hundred years. It didn't even > do so in the last hundred years. It took at philosophical mystic to state > this connection. PGC > > > >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.