On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 4:33:32 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
> On 10/8/2013 1:22 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl <javascript:> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> A lot of what I am always talking about is in there...computers don't 
> >> understand produce because they have no aesthetic sensibility. A 
> mechanical 
> >> description of a function is not the same thing as participating in an 
> >> experience. 
> So when the check-out robot can recognize okra - which the cashiers always 
> have to look up 
> - you'll agree that robots have aesthetic sensibilty. 

Aesthetic sensibility is not something that we can agree that something has 
except for ourselves. I mention aesthetic sensibility because the things 
that computers fail at in the article are related to sensation and the fact 
that it is different from states of computation. Similarly, a traffic 
signal is not the same thing as a traffic cop, even if they perform the 
same function relative to the flow of traffic. We get a robot to identify 
something which matches a description as 'okra' in the most primitive sense 
of matching, but that doesn't mean that it has any sense of what it is. A 
weighted picture of okra, or some plastic okra would probably do just as 

> >> Craig 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > You can't expect a machine with the computational capabilities of less 
> than an insect 
> > brain to the job most people do. 
> And they don't even give the machine two weeks to learn. 
> > It's actually amazing that such machines can do quite a lot, but some 
> tasks we perform 
> > are the result of a significant part of our brain power. 
> Most of the problem is in recognizing 3D objects.  It may prove easier to 
> create sniffers 
> and chemical detectors.  I'll bet my dog could tell papaya from mango 
> blindfolded. 
> Brent 

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