On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 5:58 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 10/31/2013 3:55 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> I believe there's an important aspect of this type of discussion that
>> is rarely considered. This sort of thing takes almost a religious tone
>> where we are supposed to feel guilty. I'm very suspicious of this sort
>> of thing. I was indoctrinated by catholic sunday school to feel guilty
>> about things that I didn't even yet understand. This type of discourse
>> has a similar smell.
>
>
> I agree with that.  But just because we aren't guilty, doesn't mean we can't
> do anything to redress the problem.

Agreed.
I also think that, pragmatically, the guilt trip doesn't do anything.
Politicians are too sociopathic, they will just use it as an
opportunity to gain more power while appearing to care. I put more
faith in technological solutions like geo-engineering.

>
>>
>> Neither you, Brent, nor me, nor anyone in this list is at fault.
>> There's nothing we can do to prevent this. I would argue for a more
>> radical idea:_nobody_  is at fault. There isn't a single human being
>> that has the power to revert the way in which our species operates.
>> Again, I don't mean to make a political point and defend or condemn
>> certain ideologies. I mean to make a biological point: we are not
>> social insects. We are somewhat altruistic but by far not as
>> altruistic as super-sister ants. This is just how we evolved. We don't
>> know for how long we'll be able we'll be able to survive as a species
>> and we can't stop being human. The earth won't care. If we go extinct,
>> other species will take our place. Or not. In the great scheme of
>> things, does it really matter?
>
>
> Does anything matter in the great scheme of things?  I don't know. I care
> about what matters to me.
>
> Brent
> "It does not matter now that in a million years nothing we do now will
> matter."
>     --- Thomas Nagel

Nice!

Telmo.

>
>
>>
>> Meanwhile, we seem to be rather special children of the Universe, in
>> the sense that we are a mechanism by which the Universe can
>> introspect: powerful telescopes, particle accelerators, these are all
>> part of the introspection. There's beauty in that, and ephemeral
>> things are even more beautiful.
>>
>> Sorry for the moment of zen:)
>>
>> Telmo.
>
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