Bruno wrote No.6: *You have missed the discovery of the universal machine. * Was it a discovery, or an invention? Is there O N E *discovered* machine for studying, or we just imagine how it should behave?
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 06 Nov 2013, at 13:48, Roger Clough wrote: > > Computers, code and consciousness >> >> Cumputers cannot simulate human activities or experiences >> or consciousness because they have to deal in code. >> >> Code is not magic, have no inherent intelligence. >> Computers are not magic, they are just machines. >> > > Magic explains even less. > Then, the closure of the computable functions for diagonalization > introduces the "magic" of self-reference, in the different points of view. > > > > > >> Computers can only deal in code, which is impersonal and >> public. They are noit experiences, but can be descruiptions >> of experiences, which is not the same thing. >> Unfortunately, experiences are >> personal and computers, dealing in code only, >> have no access to them. >> > > They have access to their own code, but they are confronted to Truth, > also. They have the same difficulty than us to relate truth and code. > > > > > >> Why must I keep explaining this ? >> > > You have missed the discovery of the universal machine. That changes > everything. The universal machine have a rich theology. > > > >> Computers deal in code. >> > > At some level. Humans too. Cf DNA. > > People don't >> > > At some level. Machines too (cf the machine's first person). > > If you need to introduce magic, it means you want escape reason, but this > can only lead to bad faith, wishful thinking, etc. > Computer science shows that there is enough "magic" in reason. No need to > introduce it, as this addition might hide the magic which is there. > Also, your way of reasoning is invalid? If human can use magic to be > conscious, why not machine? You might be underestimating God's power. > > Bruno > > > > > >> Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] >> See my Leibniz site at >> http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
