On 13 Dec 2013, at 12:54, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
On 13 Dec 2013, at 00:51, LizR wrote:
On 13 December 2013 07:04, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
On 12 Dec 2013, at 18:31, meekerdb wrote:
Is it true that you're transferring to the University of Uruguay,
Bruno?
Yes, but not exactly. Apparently I will be triplicated in
Washington,
Colorado, *and* Uruguay.
And Amsterdam?
I will be read and annihilated in Amsterdam.
:)
But note that in Amsterdam, cannabis is illegal, completely
illegal. It is
just tolerated and decriminalized.
And that's bad, because it makes the coffee-shop owners sill in
relation
with the criminals. It does not solve the root problem. They do
progress, as
they allow more farmers to grow it, but only exceptionally, and
still under
tolerance, not law.
I am not sure for Portugal, perhaps Telmo know better. I think they
tolerate
all drugs, but don't have the full legalization,
(sorry I pressed some key by mistake and it sent the incomplete email)
In Portugal drug use is fully decriminalized, as well as possession of
small quantities. This applies to all drugs, even heroin and so on. In
fact, you can go to a pharmacy and ask for syringes. Selling is still
a crime and people go to jail for it -- although Portugal is very
lenient on crime overall -- it is unlikely that a person will go to
jail for their first criminal offense, unless it's something really
serious (murder or armed robbery).
I agree with Bruno, it's not enough, but it already provides strong
empirical evidence: after one decade of decreminalization, hard drug
use is significantly reduced (heroin was a big problem before
decreminalization).
I remember the political debate around this, and the conservatives
were arguing that Portugal would become a destination for drug
tourism, and that drug use would be rampant and destroy society. None
of that happened, and even the conservatives don't talk about it
anymore -- drugs simply ceased to be a political topic at all.
Here in Berlin some progress is being made too:
http://www.dw.de/cannabis-cafes-could-set-up-shop-in-berlin/a-17089498
We'll see.
Thanks for the info. Portugal is right to apply this to all drugs, and
I hope Uruguay will inspire them to adopt full legalization. of course
they are threatened by the international-american rule (which is a
bit of a mystery to me, and suggests that the bandits are organized at
the international level. There seems to be no frontier for corporatist
lobbying).
Bruno
Telmo.
like in Uruguay (and in
Washington and in Colorado, except for the feds!).
We are still a long way from the understanding that prohibition
benefits
only to bandits and terrorists, and that its harms a lot
individuals and the
whole society at all levels. Why? because it is the criminals who
got the
power, simply. Probably after Kennedy assassination. The world is
governed
by "Al Capone", and it will look like more and more a big Chicago
(as it
arguably already seems to be).
But Amsterdam and all cities in the Netherlands are very lovely,
and it is
nice we can buy salvia and cannabis, medical or recreative, without
much
trouble. Note that Uruguay violates an international decision(*).
That is
good, and the time has come to doubt on the sanity of that
international
decision. We should internationally condemn all form of drugs and
food
prohibition, which is the most unhealthy thing possible to do. I
think that
such arbitrary nonsense has been made possible by the mentality which
accepted the abandon of doing theology in the scientific
(interrogative)
way.
Science is not yet born again. The Enlighten period was just a tiny
concession for the most exact sciences, not for the very spirit of
science,
which allows *all* doubts, and encourage the critical mind in *all*
directions. All certainties, when made public, are a form of madness.
Bruno
(*) The International Narcotics Control Board (INCB) said the
legislation in
Uruguay contravenes the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs,
to which
it said Uruguay is a party.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/11/uruguay-marijuana-breaks-international-treaty
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