On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jason, > > Thanks for the link.... > > You're welcome. :-) > Only the computations that account for observable effects can be assumed > to exist. > Given quantum mechanics, it appears there is a huge (perhaps infinite) number of computations that must exist already, just to explain physical observations to date. > > There is no evidence, or any reason to believe, for 'us' existing in other > universes. > It is a consequence of many of our current theories: many-worlds, cosmic inflation, string theory, arithmetical realism, mathematical realism, etc. > That sounds like sci fi certainly a lot farther out than some are accusing > me of being! :-) > It does! But perhaps more surprisingly it is a direct consequence of even very modest theories, such as arithmetical realism. In any case, all of this should be more clear once you read the first 8 steps of the UDA. Jason > > Edgar > > > > > On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:35:02 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > >> Bruno, >> >> Correct me if I'm wrong about where you are coming from in your basic >> approach. >> >> Bruno seems to believe that mathematicians discover a math that already >> exists in reality (as opposed to math being a human invention which is the >> alternative view). Thus he believes that reality itself is a mathematical >> structure which 'contains' in some sense all of the math that >> mathematicians have come up with, and no doubt much more to be discovered. >> Thus he believes that ANY correct mathematical theory can be validly >> applied to reality to generate true results, which he does with facility. >> >> However there are a number of problems with this theory. For one thing >> the edifice of human math is static, it just sits there waiting for humans >> to apply it to something, whereas the math that actually computes reality >> is active and continuously runs like software. There is, in my view, no >> evidence at all for any math in reality at all except for what is actually >> running and computing reality's current state. >> >> Therefore most of human math is NOT going to be applicable to the math of >> reality. One can't just apply the results of any human math theory to >> reality and expect it accurately describe reality. Instead of trying to >> applying Godel, Church, etc. etc. etc. to reality one has to actually look >> at the actual computations reality is executing and see what they tell US, >> as opposed to what mathematicians try to tell them. This is basic >> scientific method and is the correct approach. >> >> So my repeated point is that human math and reality math are different. >> Of course they share some fundamental logic. But human math is a structure >> that was first approximated from the math of reality, but then widely >> generalized and extended far beyond what reality math is actually computing >> in the process losing some of the actual essentials of reality math. >> >> For example all computations in reality math are finite with no >> infinities nor infinitesimals since reality is granular at its elemental >> level and nothing actual can be infinite. The human math number system is a >> generalized extension of reality's number system which is more subtle as >> there are no numbers that just keep going forever (pi) to greater and >> greater accuracies far greater than the scale of the universe. And there >> may well be no zeros in reality math, since we could expect reality math to >> compute only what actually exists. >> >> Basically reality math is a particular program running in reality that >> computes the current state of reality. All the other programs that don't >> actually run and whatever math or logical results they may be based upon >> have no relevance and cannot be blindly applied to reality math. >> >> Therefore let me respectfully suggest that Bruno needs to examine the >> actual math of reality that is actually computing reality, and use his >> mathematical skills to elucidate that, rather than automatically trying to >> apply the results of human math without examining whether they actually >> apply. >> >> Edgar >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
