Bruno, I have to say that basing reality on the first person experience (or whatever) of humans strikes me as being no different from basing wave collapse on human consciousness. Sorry for a naive question but that seems tio be my role on this list. Richard
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 24 Dec 2013, at 19:39, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 4:04 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> He did answer and did it correctly, >>> >> >> > I somehow missed that post. What number did Bruno give? >> >> I quote myself: >> >> >>> That's a great answer but unfortunately it's NOT a answer to the >> question John Clark asked, the question never asked anything about "the 3p >> view", it was never mentioned. So John Clark will repeat the question for a >> fifth time: how many first person experiences viewed from their first >> person points of view does Bruno Marchal believe exists on planet Earth >> right now? >> >> >> >1 (I already answered this, note) >> >> No you did not. > >> > from the 1-view, the 1-view is always unique. >> >> That's real nice, but it wasn't the question. > > How many unique integers are there in the first 7 billion integers? > John Clark's answer: 7 billion. > > How many unique 1-views from 1-view are there on planet Earth right now? > Bruno Marchal's answer: Bruno Marchal refuses to answer. > > > I answered this two times already. The answer is 1. Not just right now. > Always. The infinitely many 1-views are all unique from their 1-view. > > > > >> > Can you explain why you ask? >> > > Because Bruno Marchal claims to understand the difference between 1P and > 3P and says that John Clark does not. And because Bruno Marchal said "the > first person experiences viewed from their first person points of view" and > it would greatly help John Clark understand what Bruno Marchal meant by > this (assuming anything at all) if John Clark knew approximately how many > first person experiences views from their first person points of view > existed on planet Earth right now. > It is a simple question, what is the number? > > > In the 3-views on the 1-views, there are right now about 7.10^6 such human > 1-view. > In the 1-view there is only one, from her 1-view. > > OK? > > This explains the existence of the 1-indeterminacy. If I am duplicated > iteratively ten times: the number of 3-1-views will grow exponentially, and > after the 10th duplication, there 2^10 1-views. But assuming comp and the > default hypotheses, each of the > copies get one bit of information, at each duplication step (they write W > or they wrote M, never both). All of them feel constantly unique, and the > vast majority get a non computable history when iterating infinitely (or > incompressible when iterating finitely a long enough time). > > You seem to have understood the point, and in a recent post to Jason you > seem to assess steps 3, 4, 5, 6. > > So what about step 7? > How do you predict "conceptually" the result of any physical experiences > and experiments, when assuming a physical universe, and assuming it > executes integrally (without ever stopping) a Universal Dovetailer? > > Bruno > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
