Re: A simple incontrovertible proof there are two kinds of time and a couple of implications

```PIerz,

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Though clocks measure only clock time it is clear that present time exists
as it is the most fundamental experience of our existence. Second P-time
can be measured by Omega, the curvature of our hyperspherical universe
which gives us the radius which is the P-time axis back to the big bang.

Edgar

On Friday, December 27, 2013 8:09:24 PM UTC-5, Pierz wrote:
>
> Edgar is on the right track, but I need to point out his fundamental
> error. There is indeed a different time from clock time. But it's not
> called P-time, it's called U-time and every moment does not occur at the
> same time across the universe for all observers. Rather, no two events can
> ever occur at the same time (in U-time), because every moment is Unique!
> Hence U-time. See what I did there? Of course, I can't prove this
> hypothesis because U-time is conveniently unmeasurable and incommunicable.
> But the implications are profound. I'm amazed nobody has realized this
> obvious truth before. But well done Edgar on getting so close.
>
> On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 6:10:13 AM UTC+11, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> The proof is simply the fact that the time traveling twins meet up again
>> with different clock times, but always in the exact same present moment.
>> This proves beyond any doubt there are two kinds of time, clock time which
>> varies by relativistic observer, and the time of the present moment (what I
>> call P-time) which is absolute and common to all observers across the
>> universe.
>>
>> When this is realized there are a number of profound implications.
>>
>> First that time travel outside the common present moment is impossible
>> since all of reality (the entire universe) exists within/is the common
>> present moment. The only time travel that is possible is having different
>> clock times within the same shared present moment.
>>
>> Second, that this is compatible with only one cosmological geometry,
>> named that the universe is a 4-dimensional hypersphere with P-time (not
>> clock time) as its continually extending radial dimension. That is
>> cosmological space is positively curved and finite. In fact we all see all
>> 4-dimensions of this geometry all the time and visually verify this, as the
>> radial P-time dimension is seen as distance in every direction from every
>> point in the 3-dimensional space of the hypersphere's surface.
>>
>> What amazes me is that no one recognized this simple obvious fact prior
>> to my stating it in my 1997 paper 'Spacetime and Consciousness'. It's a
>> great example of how the trivially obvious can remain unrecognized, no
>> matter how important, if it isn't part of the accepted world view of, in
>> this case, either common sense or science.....
>>
>> Edgar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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