All events without exception happen in the present moment. The present 
moment is the only locus of actual reality in which anything can happen.

Of course those events can happen with different clock times according to 
relativistic conditions in different frames, but they always happen in the 
present moment.

lt is very strange to me how no one seems to understand what I'm even 
saying with respect to two kinds of time, irrespective of whether they 
agree or not. I have to think more about what the reason for this cultural 
mental block is. Something very strange going on here to say the least!

And of course Einstein did NOT prove that "self-evident truth was 
completely wrong" in any general sense, not in anyone's wildest dreams. He 
demonstrated only that a particular interpretation based logically on 
NON-relativistic daily experience was incomplete and needed to be extended.


On Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:31:28 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Edgar L. Owen <<javascript:>
> > wrote:
> > Clock time simultaneity has nothing to do with the present moment which 
>> is an entirely separate type of time I call P-time. 
> Did event X happen in the present time? There is no consensus, observers 
> disagree.    
> > This is clear because observers with different clock time t values 
>> always inhabit the exact same present moment 
> No, that is not clear because it's not true. Observer A says 2 events 
> happened at the present moment, but observer B says they do not, there is 
> no consensus and no way to tell who's right.
> > The present moment is the most fundamental self-evident experience of 
>> our existence. 
> Einstein proved that self-evident truth was completely wrong, and that's 
> what made him so great. The idea of absolute time is as dead as the idea of 
> a flat earth.
> > And it is quite clear that all observers, no matter what their t values, 
>> all exist within this same P-time present moment.
> How do you figure that?
>   John K Clark 

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