On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 7:12 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 12/27/2013 10:31 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > To that I would add the purely epistemic "non-intepretation" of Peres >> and Fuchs. >> > > "No interpretation needed" -- I can interpret this in two ways, one way is > to just take the math and equations literally (this leads to Everett), the > other is "shut up and calculate", which leads no where really. > > > > >> >> >> >>> 2. Determined by which observer? The cat is always either dead or >>> alive. It's just a matter of someone making a measurement to find out. >>> >> >> So are you saying that before the measurement the cat is neither alive >> nor dead, both alive and dead, or definitely alive or definitely dead? If >> you, (and I think you are), saying that the cat is always definitely alive >> or definitely dead, then about about the radioactive atom? Is it ever in a >> state of being decayed and not decayed? If you say no, it sounds like you >> are denying the reality of the superposition, which some interpretations >> do, but then this leads to difficulties explaining how quantum computers >> work (which require the superposition to exist). >> >> >> Superposition is just a question of basis. An eigenstate in one basis >> is a superposition in another. >> >> > Can you provide a concrete example where some system can simultaneously > be considered to be both in a superposition and not? Is this like the > superposition having collapsed for Wigner's friend while remaining for > Wigner before he enters the room? > > >> > ?? Every pure state can be written as a superposition of a complete set of > basis states - that's just Hilbert space math. > > So then when is the system not in a superposition? Jason > The collapse for Wigner's friend can be interpreted either epistemically > or by MWI. > > Brent > Anny: What happened to that poor cat? It looks half dead. > Erwin: I don't know. Ask Wigner. > Eugene: I just looked in and it collapsed! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
