I don't intend to play DA or Defense just muse about the 'firmness' of a temporary "scientific belief" (even supportable by tests using instruments - or theories - based on the acceptability of those "beliefs"). There were 'centuries' with scientific belief of the Geocentric pattern - when Copernicus thought differently, introducing 'centuries of "heliocentrism"-' until Hubble came up with brand new ideas leading to a 'firm' scientific belief of a Big Bang based cosmology. And it MAY go on and on. No one tried to try the 'new' to be subject to the experimental proof of the old.
I am not on Edgar's side, I am agnostic. Physical law and other conventional science make only 'practical' sense to me - they are facilitating the development of an (almost) fitting new technology - I dislike 'thought experiments' and human logic based proof applied to new systems/ideas about the 'totality'. The R. Rosen 'model' of the world - the limited ensemble of the presently knowables - is part of the wider totality of (as I like to call it) Infinite Complexity of Everything. We have no way to learn more than included within the model and the format is adjusted to our limited mental capabilities: accordingly the 'infinite' may look(?) quite different. Yet it has it's effect on the In-Model ensemble. We are part of the World, not above it, so our logic and thinking may be partial as well. We 'use' practical conclusions - yet should not draw final and universal ones on a totality we don't know. Call it Scientific humility. I like 'fresh' ideas penetrate the List (with more flesh, maybe, not only hints to "in my book" references). Respectfully (as a list-member since the last millennium) John M On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 6:31 PM, freqflyer07281972 < [email protected]> wrote: > Might I respectfully suggest the following: > > 1) That when you have an "obvious" intuition or brilliant stroke of > insight that goes against a century or more of insight from the most > distinguished physicists and > > 2) That when you are unable to operationalize your intuition in such a way > that other people could perform an experiment to see what you are saying is > true and that it does in fact go against the received wisdom then... > > You might reconsider the merit of your originally amazing intuition and > ask yourself if you might not in fact be in error and/or suffering from a > bit of self-deception. Yes, it does seem quite "obvious" and "self-evident" > that we all share a single present, I absolutely and utterly agree with you > here. However, I also appreciate the various thought experiments put > forward by Einstein originally and now by other (quite sharp) people on > this list pointing out how this intuition simply cannot be true. These > thought experiments have later become actual experiments whose results have > agreed, not with our incredibly clear and obvious intuition, but with the > very counter-intuitive predictions that Einstein provided. > > I'm not going to hash out more examples. I don't think it's necessary. > I've included some links you might want to read at the end. What I think is > happening though is you might be deceiving yourself a bit in thinking that > you are so brilliant in arriving at insights that absolutely no one else > has come to, and you are kind of starting to come across like this > guy.<http://www.timecube.com/> > > If you really want to understand behavior of the physical world we live in > (or apparently physical, but actually computational, a la Bruno), maybe try > these links out: > > http://galileoandeinstein.physics.virginia.edu/lectures/srelwhat.html > > http://galileoandeinstein.physics.virginia.edu/lectures/synchronizing.html > > http://galileoandeinstein.physics.virginia.edu/lectures/time_dil.html > > Peace out, > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
