On 8 January 2014 05:51, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 , LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>> Bell's theorem holds only under a certain set of assumptions, >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>True. As I've said many times Bell made exactly 3 assumptions: >>>>> 1) High School algebra and trigonometry works. >>>>> 2) Things are local. >>>>> 3) Things are realistic. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> In fact Bell made a fourth assumption, although he didn't realise >>>> he was making it until later. Namely, he assumed that time is asymmetric. >>>> >>> >>> >>I won't bother to argue if Bell made this assumption or not because it >>> doesn't matter, time is asymmetric. >>> >> >> > Not in a manner that affects EPR experiments. Show me an EPR >> experiment that involves neutral kaon decay and you will have a point, >> otherwise this is simply not true. >> > > I don't understand your point, are you arguing that time is asymmetric or > that it is not? The existence of neutral kaon decay strengthens the already > very strong argument that time is asymmetric, but only very slightly. Yes a > movie of neutral kaon decay would look slightly different if run forward > rather than backward, but not if you looked at the reversed film in a > mirror and you assumed the electrical charges were reversed. CPT (Charge > Parity Time) symmetry still holds true. >

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I'm arguing that time is symmetric, and that hence Bell's (implicit) 4th assumption is violated. Bell agreed that this was true, but said the assumption was valid - he thought time was asymmetric at all levels. Physics indicates he was wrong (wrong when it counts in EPR experiments, that is). I don't know why there is so much fuss over Bell's inequality, and so much mystical mumbo jumbo about non locality and spooky action and so on, when it was actually discovered before Bell died that there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for how his inequality can be violated that retains locality and realism. It's like physics being sime symmetric is so "far out" that no one can believe it, yet it requires no new physics and fixes up all those problems! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.