So, just to run with this for a few moments (which will be lost in time,
like tears in rain... ;-)
... if it is obvious to Edgar that everything he says is true, for example
the claim that:
"When people die they vanish from existence. To believe otherwise may be
comforting, but it's just superstition.There must be a living human body to
produce a human consciousness. "
... but many other (highly educated, scientific, philosophical) human
beings disagree that it is obvious and/or can't see what is plainly
apparent to only one of them, what should that single person who has (by
some miracle of the universe) been given privileged access to the
unvarnished truth of the universe do about it? Should they:
a) call people who disagree with them "too stupid to get it"
b) revise their beliefs concerning the "obvious" nature of the truth they
think they possess
c) suspect on the basis of the responses they are getting from otherwise
intelligent people that perhaps their unique insight is in error
d) ignore all claims to the contrary and persist in their beliefs
e) patiently re-explain, in a different way, using different analogies, the
substance of their claim and
f) be willing to revise their beliefs on the basis of what others tell
them, assuming they do not have an overexaggerated confidence in their own
ability to discern the truth
These are not mutually exclusive options.
It seems to me Edgar has done a lot of option "a" and option "d" -- "e" has
not been used because no analogies, thought experiments, or formal
apparatus has been offered for honest inspection- merely a series of
re-assertions that "it is quite obvious that X, and I don't understand why
no one else gets it" -- the rest of the options are also not evident.
I'd be interested to get some feedback on this question, as I think
self-delusion and self-deception are germane to any discussion of
"Everything theories", and this is also why it is the domain of so many
On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:32:28 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>> On what authority do you make such claims?
> Isn't it obvious ? His own, it is so obviously obvious, it's a shame^Wjoke
> you didn't obviously register.... so obvious.
>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:14:54 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
>>> Liz, (and Dan)
>>> When people die they vanish from existence. To believe otherwise may be
>>> comforting, but it's just superstition..
>>> There must be a living human body to produce a human consciousness.
>>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:03:42 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
>>>> I have to agree I don't think Edgar posted any links to his business or
>>>> blog. Indeed if he had posted links to a blog on his theory I would
>>>> certainly have looked because the explanations here have been less than
>>>> I haven't criticise Edgar for a lack of immediate response once, never
>>>> mind on several occasions. I have criticised his lack of any response to
>>>> questions when he's replied to other things but obviously can't or won't
>>>> answer me. (I am still thinking of starting a thread on outstanding
>>>> questions to Edgar, but tbh I can't be bothered because I know it won't
>>>> me or any of us anywhere.)
>>>> On the subject of grief, I have wondered about that too. One reason is
>>>> that I don't know that, say, QTI is correct. But I think the main one is
>>>> that I personally have lost that person forever. My best friend was
>>>> murdered in 1995, for example, and that is someone I will never see again.
>>>> Likewise my father, who died over 10 years ago now. If they're still alive
>>>> and well somewhere in the multiverse that's a bit of a comfort but I don't
>>>> know that. Maybe I will realise it eventually, when I'm 150 say...
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