On 23 Jan 2014, at 07:42, meekerdb wrote:

On 1/22/2014 10:38 PM, LizR wrote:
On 23 January 2014 19:35, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
On 1/22/2014 10:21 PM, LizR wrote:
The real world doesn't add raindrops, or most other things we think of as entities - adding raindrops isn't 1+1, nature is really adding something like 10^25 atoms to another 10^25. But it _does_ add bosons in a BEC. Even when the constituents are indistinguishable, nature can perform simple arithmetic with them.

I'd say *we* perform simple arithmetic to describe them - but only when we correctly recognize what is countable and what isn't. So the truth of Ax(x=/=x+1) is in Platonia.

Platonia? Where's that, then?

In our heads and in our language (and publications of the AMS).

So, 2+2=4 was meaningless before life appeared on this planet?
I can easily imagine that "2+2=4" was meaningless, but I can't conceive that 2+2=4 would be meaningless, if only because Platonia is out of time. It is not related to physics, except that physics is a persistent illusion coming from the machine's inside points of view in Platonia.

Bruno


http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/



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