Dear LizR,

  The nested  or tower of boxes are the result, the product of, the
process. It makes sense that the product would be the opposite of the Flux,
they are not the same thing. One does not start with an infinite nesting,
one starts with the null set or, if we use the Laws of Form, it starts with
the Void.
   You are thinking of the idea almost exactly backwards. :-)


On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:10 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 24 January 2014 14:01, Stephen Paul King <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Dear LizR,
>>
>>    The infinite nesting of boxes is one of the possible products of the
>> process that Kauffman is laboring to explain. It can be equally applied to
>> the construction of the natural numbers by starting with the null set and
>> adding layers of brackets, or by the von Neumann 
>> constructor<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_number#A_standard_construction>,
>> or symbols systems that make reference to themselves, ... It is, IMHO, a
>> way of mathematically representing the Heraclitean notion of 
>> Flux<http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/heraclitus/#Flu>
>> .
>>
>> I'd say an infinite tower of boxes is exactly opposite to the Heraclitean
> notion of Flux! Also, the von Neumann constructor (and similar systems)
> don't *start* with an infinite nesting. So all a bit confusing. Still ...
> maybe you could explain what he's getting at better than he can?
>
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