Dear LizR, : "the idea of time as a steady progression from past to future is wrong. I know very well we feel this way about it subjectively. But we're the victims of a confidence trick..."
What other implication does Hoyle's phrasing have? His entire discussion of the pigeon holes is to point out that there is no a priori order of the holes, it is a subjective delusion that we obtain because of our inability to see the whole lot. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:08 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 27 January 2014 11:20, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com>wrote: >> >> "'Because, like all of us in our daily lives, you're stuck with a >>> grotesque and absurd illusion.' >>> >>> 'How's that?' >>> >>> 'The idea of time as an ever-rolling stream. The thing which is supposed >>> to bear all its sons away. There's one thing quite certain in this >>> business: the idea of time as a steady progression from past to future is >>> wrong. I know very well we feel this way about it subjectively. But we're >>> the victims of a confidence trick... >>> >>> Fred Hoyle, "October the First is Too Late" >>> >> >> HA! Hoyle here undermines the idea that we can obtain time merely from >> the well ordering of integers! I focus on the action, ever-rolling stream, >> the "progression"; the ordering of events are the mere products of the >> stream, not the origin of the streaming. >> > > Hi Stephen > > I don't see how Hoyle undermines that idea. His numbered pigeon holes > seems very close to it. He indicates that he doesn't consider time an > "ever-rolling stream" and later points out that the metaphorical > "flashlight" isn't an ordering principle, and hints that it may be > completely irrelevant to consciousness, which is purely down to the > contents of the pigeon holes, which are ordered according to certain > physical laws, such as the notes in no 157 being "mainly accurate about 156 > and earlier, but vague and inaccurate about 158 onwards". He appears to be > presenting a capsule theory of identity. Please explain how he undermines > the idea that time is something like an ordering principle, if I've > correctly understood that to be what you mean, and if you wouldn't mind. > > Also, I don't understand the significance of your statement "the ordering > of events are the mere products of the stream, not the origin of the > streaming". In the block universe view, the ordering of events is the > product of the laws of physics, which determine the shapes of world-lines > through 4D spacetime. I'm not sure what the "origin of the streaming" could > mean in this context (the Big Bang?) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/TBc_y2MZV5c/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
