On 03 Feb 2014, at 09:18, meekerdb wrote:

On 2/3/2014 12:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 02 Feb 2014, at 20:11, meekerdb wrote:

On 2/2/2014 2:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 02 Feb 2014, at 02:45, meekerdb wrote:

Maybe we can convert Bruno to Aristotelanism:

https://web.math.princeton.edu/~nelson/papers/e.pdf


That can convince the inner god (the soul, S4Grz) of Brouwerism (modern Aristotelism about that infinity question).

But the inner God is already convinced by this.

Yet, that is not enough to explore reality.

You just scolded John Mikes for assuming he knew what reality is.

You don't need to know what reality is to explore it.

Indeed. But you must know what it is, or a lot about it, to say what is not enough to explore it.

?

I can't agree more. It is part of my point. That is why I say that agnosticism on comp entails agnosticism on the nature of reality. It *might* be no more than arithmetic. And then this is cute, because it prevents reductionism on the first person internal psychology and theology. Notably: it does not eliminate persons. They have the key role, not for the block ontology, but for the epistemological realities, which includes the physical.

Bruno




Brent

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