Brent and Bruno here is the main question: what would you identify* "REALITY*" by?
Another similar* "I dunno"* question to Bruno: what would you call "* F A C T* " - the *non** knowable TRUTH(???)*, or what we happen to know today? Compare 'facts' - as believed millennia ago with our present imagination (OOOPS: knowledge). As explained by historical views our inventory of the 'infinite' world is enriching steadily. To assume that our present one is the final and complete would be unfounded, so postulating a "further" exploration does not require* KNOWLEDGE* of what we want to explore. My argument stays that if Bruno found it necessary to SPECIFY (= restrict?) *math. reality,* there MAY BE MORE to it. (E.g. the NON-math kind?) Speaking about agnosticism: I define mine as a belief system with presently (still?) unknown domains/details. Science has put itself in the position of *"I believe SOME, - I doubt SOME"*. Physics is an ingenious Science based on the constantly changing inventory deduced from our (latest?) representation for phenomena we got for observation (done strictly at the level of yesterday's knowledge base). There is a hard-to-limit (I would not call it 'infinite) amount of theories and in Bruno's quote below: *"... science can be said to be based on faith in an (unknown) reality. Then our assumptions and theories are just interrogation, and we never pretend it is true. The exploration of reality is done with usually false theories, that we can correct or abandon when refuted by sufficiently repeatable facts.* *Bruno"* 'sufficiently repeatable facts' are conclusions upon (his again) 'usually false theories'. 100000 false theories do not make 1 true.. John M On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:36 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 03 Feb 2014, at 09:18, meekerdb wrote: > > On 2/3/2014 12:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 02 Feb 2014, at 20:11, meekerdb wrote: > > On 2/2/2014 2:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 02 Feb 2014, at 02:45, meekerdb wrote: > > Maybe we can convert Bruno to Aristotelanism: > > https://web.math.princeton.edu/~nelson/papers/e.pdf > > > > That can convince the inner god (the soul, S4Grz) of Brouwerism (modern > Aristotelism about that infinity question). > > But the inner God is already convinced by this. > > Yet, that is not enough to explore reality. > > > You just scolded John Mikes for assuming he knew what reality is. > > > You don't need to know what reality is to explore it. > > > Indeed. But you must know what it is, or a lot about it, to say what is > not enough to explore it. > > > ? > > I can't agree more. It is part of my point. That is why I say that > agnosticism on comp entails agnosticism on the nature of reality. It > *might* be no more than arithmetic. And then this is cute, because it > prevents reductionism on the first person internal psychology and theology. > Notably: it does not eliminate persons. They have the key role, not for the > block ontology, but for the epistemological realities, which includes the > physical. > > Bruno > > > > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
