On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 07:59:53PM -0500, Jesse Mazer wrote: > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Jesse, > > > > What's wrong with "conscious experience"? Every observation of science is > > ultimately a conscious experience. > > > > Yes, ultimately, but the observations used in physical science used are > always of quantitative values that can be measured by some sort of > measuring-instrument. > > Anyway, it's fine with me if you want to argue in favor of p-time using > qualitative aspects of conscious experience, and in fact I did address the > argument from conscious experience in the last two paragraphs of the post > at https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/jFX-wTm_E_Q/jUPOnqbP6hwJ-- > I don't think you addressed that part. In any case, I'm trying to get > a > sense of whether you think there are multiple *independent* arguments in > favor of p-time, or whether any argument you could make for p-time would > depend crucially on pointing to qualitative aspects of conscious > experience. The exact nature of the conscious experience of change seems > pretty slippery and hard to pin down, so I would prefer to just agree to > disagree about what is proved by conscious experience and discuss other > less subjective arguments, if you do have any independent ones. >
A subjective present moment is not a problem, indeed it is required for my TIME postulate, although I would argue that the past light cone is probably a more useful concept than a spacelike foliation. The problem is with an intersubjective present moment, such as Edgar seems to be promoting, which is not compatible with relativity. Cheers -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
