On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> > The 3-1 view is the 3p view on the 1p views, note the plural, after the > duplication. > That is far more convoluted than it need to be, it's really not all that complicated. After the duplication both the Washington Man and the Moscow Man agree that they were both the Helsinki Man at one time. A third party observer would also agree with this. After the duplication both the Washington Man and the Moscow Man agree that they are no longer each other. A third party observer would agree with this too. So unlike Einstein's thought experiments in this one everybody involved is in agreement about everything that happened, which is why we can learn nothing from it. > A typical observation will be "the diary of the guy in W assess that he > is in W, and (perhaps) that he could not have predicted that, > That is incorrect, the Helsinki Man could have successfully predicted that the Washington diary will be written by the guy in Washington. > and that the diary of the guy in M assess that he is in M and (perhaps) > that he could not have predicted that". > And the Helsinki Man could have successfully predicted that the Moscow diary will be written by the guy in Moscow. But of course if you're trying to ascertain the nature of personal identity none of this matters, it doesn't matter if the predictions were correct or not. > So the prediction you have often made, and never clearly retracted, that > you will find yourself in W and M, is a correct prediction for the 3-1 view, > Yes, after it was all over and the smoke had cleared away a third party observer will say that John Clark is in Moscow and John Clark is in Washington. > but that is not what is asked in Helsinki, which concerns the 1-views, > or as I said the 1-1-views (the 1-view on the 1-view). If that is the question then the only answer the Helsinki Man can give is "my first person view is of Helsinki". John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
