On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:08:07AM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> 
> On 14 Feb 2014, at 20:47, meekerdb wrote:
> 
> >On 2/14/2014 7:12 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
> >
> >I find cuttlefish fascinating.  They are social, relatively
> >intelligent, can communicate, able to grasp and manipulate things.
> >It seems like they were all set to become the dominant large life
> >form (instead of humans).
> 
> A mystery: they don't live a long time. Usually "intelligence" go
> with a rather long life, but cuttlefishes live one or two years.

Yes - I find that surprising also.

> Hard for them to dominate, also, as they have few protections, no
> shelter, and are edible for many predators, including humans.

One could say the same about early home 2 millions years ago. The
invention of the throwable spear changed all that.

> They
> survive by hiding and fooling. They can hunt with hypnosis (as you
> can see in the video).
> 

I feel privileged that these wonderful animals (giant cuttlefish) can
be found less than 200 metres from my house. I have often observed
them when snorkling or scuba diving.

I had to laugh at the Texan prof's comment that they are as least as
smart as fish. I do have a habit of underestimating fish intelligence,
but IMHO their intelligence equals that of some mammals or birds, and
clearly outclasses fish. I think I mentioned the anecdote which
convinced me they exhibit a second order theory of the mind, which may
well be sufficient for consciousness.

Cheers 
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