On 15 Feb 2014, at 23:17, Russell Standish wrote:
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:08:07AM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 14 Feb 2014, at 20:47, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/14/2014 7:12 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
I find cuttlefish fascinating. They are social, relatively
intelligent, can communicate, able to grasp and manipulate things.
It seems like they were all set to become the dominant large life
form (instead of humans).
A mystery: they don't live a long time. Usually "intelligence" go
with a rather long life, but cuttlefishes live one or two years.
Yes - I find that surprising also.
Hard for them to dominate, also, as they have few protections, no
shelter, and are edible for many predators, including humans.
One could say the same about early home 2 millions years ago. The
invention of the throwable spear changed all that.
Yes.
They
survive by hiding and fooling. They can hunt with hypnosis (as you
can see in the video).
I feel privileged that these wonderful animals (giant cuttlefish) can
be found less than 200 metres from my house. I have often observed
them when snorkling or scuba diving.
You are privileged indeed.
I had to laugh at the Texan prof's comment that they are as least as
smart as fish.
That is weird indeed. fish are not known to be particularly clever.
I do have a habit of underestimating fish intelligence,
Me too ...
but IMHO their intelligence equals that of some mammals or birds, and
clearly outclasses fish.
I agree.
I think I mentioned the anecdote which
convinced me they exhibit a second order theory of the mind, which may
well be sufficient for consciousness.
Which I call self-consciousness, and I think this is already Löbianitty.
I do think that all animals have the "first order" consciousness, they
can feel pain, and find it unpleasant, but can't reflect on it, nor
assess "I feel pain". they still can react appropriately. I m not
sure, but it fits better with the whole picture.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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