On 16 Feb 2014, at 05:08, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 15, 2014 10:40:17 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On 16 February 2014 01:41, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To extend your metaphor, in my view, since the characters in a
drama can
> build an LCD screen as part of the show, but an LCD screen can't
build a
> show as part of its function, it makes more sense that the drama is
> fundamental and that from an absolute perspective, it is the
pixels which
> are the epiphenomenal show. The reason why it is reversed for us
locally is
> that our show is nested several times within other shows which are
both
> larger and smaller in scope and slower and faster in frequency.
The most
> 'other' of these shows is the one which appears most mechanical,
as it
> includes the fastest, slowest, largest, and smallest experiences
relative to
> our own - the polar opposite of our own native scope, which is by
definition
> middle-range from our perspective.
As per my answer to David, the movie has meaning only to a conscious
entity. If a computer is a conscious entity it will create meaning for
itself, as humans do. You don't think a computer could do this but
that's just prejudice.
It's not prejudice, it's clarity.
It would be clear if you say what is missing in the comp, which makes
her into a doll. But it is here that you need to invoke something
which is neither Turing emulable, nor FPI-recoverable.
It's not that I think that a computer could not create meaning, it's
that I understand why computation is meaningless by definition.
No more meaningless than a cell triggering another cell chemically or
electrically, a priori. Or, again, you put in the cells something non
Turing emulable, but then why not do that for the silicon devices? It
is prejudice, unless you make clear what is not Turing emulable or FPI
recoverable in the brain, and why that will be absent in the silicon.
Bruno
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