On 07 Mar 2014, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/7/2014 1:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Mar 2014, at 10:04, Bruno Marchal wrote (to Brent):
On 07 Mar 2014, at 06:29, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/6/2014 9:15 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
A related question is, is there any such thing as true
randomness at all? Or is every case of true randomness an
instance of FPI?
Or is FPI just a convoluted way to pretend there isn't true
randomness?
What do you mean by "true randomness"?
I have no problem with that notion, though. I use it in the sense
of total arbitrariness. I illustrate this by giving my favorite
binary true random sequence: it is
1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111...
It is the "true random sequence" of the superlucky guy (or super
unlucky , in case he bet on zero!).
But for the FPI, for example in the iterated WM-duplication, all
you need is too realize that the the vast majority of 1p
experienced experience is algorithmic-incompressible. That is
random enough.
Hmm, Brent, you were perhaps meaning by "true randomness" the
following:
1) you assume a 3p primitive physical reality,
2) you assume it can contain primitive, irreducible random events.
I'm not sure what 1) means. I was hypothesizing (not assuming) 2).
"1)" means that there is a primitive physical reality which has to be
assumed and can't be explained by something else (non physical). That
would make the "irreducible random events" irreducibly random. I just
try to grasp what you mean by "true randomness".
I use terms like "theory", "assumption", "postulate", "hypothesis" as
basically synonymous.
That is logically consistent, so I am agnostic, but I believe that
invoking such "true randomness" in an explanation is just a god-of-
the-gap type of explanation. it is like "don't ask" or "don't try
to understand".
It is more like, "Some things just happen."...like a UD.
The existence of the UD is a consequence of elementary axioms in
arithmetic (like x+0=x, etc.).
I can't hardly imagine something less random than that.
"Some things just happens" seems to me as convincing than "God made
it, and less us talk on something else".
As I said, that is the "don't ask" idea.
Bruno
Brent
I feel close to Einstein on this, who define "insanity" by the
belief in such "true 3p randomness". I don't push it that far though.
Bruno
Bruno
Brent
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