On 09 Mar 2014, at 00:53, meekerdb wrote:

On 3/8/2014 3:41 PM, LizR wrote:
On 9 March 2014 08:50, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 3/8/2014 12:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The existence of the UD is a consequence of elementary axioms in arithmetic (like x+0=x, etc.).

I can't hardly imagine something less random than that.

But we don't know that it exists. ISTM that rejecting the possibility of randomness in the world is just dogma. Of course we can study and try to understand and minimize randomness is our theories - but I see no reason to simply rule it out because we don't like it; especially by hyposthesizing an unobservable and untestable everythingism. I like your theory, but not because it avoids randomness (as Everett does too), but because it seems to address the mind-body problem.

It's hard to imagine a mechanism for randomness, especially one that doesn't involve hidden variables. Any suggestions?

To me, a mechanism for intrinsic randomness sounds like a contradiction.

OK. A 3p mechanism can't explain a 3p intrinsic randomness. Only pseudo-randomness a priori.

Yet, a very simple mechanism exists which explains the 1p appearance of randomness: self-duplication.

Bruno



Brent

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