I hopefully, wouldn't think that there's a tea party or libertarian view of science. The libertarians, unless I am wrong, are 100% pro-science, many atheists, and all that. Your 10000 extinction rate claim appears specious, because if this was the case, not a tweet bird wouldn't exist, nor we be doing the Everything List two-step. My guess is that whatever the human species is doing it is killing off lots of fauna and plants, especially in the hungry countries that want their people to live better, materially. Having said that, it isn't 10000 times etc. If the greens were sane, and I submit they are all limbic, they'd conger neat ways to upgrade the standards of living in Asia and Africa, so, as, according to Maslow's hierarchy or needs, all of a sudden, the fate of orangutans and the snail darter becomes more important. I refer anyone to Matt Ridley's books for evidence of this, but not yourself, since you are definitively not a pragmatist, but others will find Riddley's works informative. What I have concluded is that you're not about fixing problems as a goal, so what are you most concerned with, enforcement of party truths? A bit curious, actually.
Sincerely, Uncle Cleatus In case you still have not understood, let me clarify; I am not especially interested in reading your regurgitations of the Tea Party "libertarian" talking points you fill your spudboy brain with. -----Original Message----- From: Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Mar 11, 2014 3:53 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Oh I hear you about facts, but which facts are relevent? Where's the cause and effect, and with the climatoligists, involved at East Anglia and U Penn, where's the hockey stick? What is your solution for remediating the big mess you are insisting we are in? (whomever I am?). The only facts that are relevant to determining the current rate of extinction are determining base-line rates for extinction, and measuring the current rates of species extinction and then comparing these rates to the average rates that have been determined for the base-line. You do much hand-waving and little actual investigation. You don't get to choose the facts spudboy. And changing the subject is merely avoidance. I will assume that you now accept that the extinction rate is 10,000 times the background rate of extinction, seeing as you have nothing intelligent or useful to say on the matter or to add. In case you still have not understood, let me clarify; I am not especially interested in reading your regurgitations of the Tea Party "libertarian" talking points you fill your spudboy brain with. So unless you have something to say about the what the current rate of extinction actually is and WHY, all those biologists and other scientists who have compiled vast datasets that reveal an exceedingly alarming rate of species extinction currently in progress -- 10,000 times the background rate -- why they are all wrong about it. What is wrong with their data spudboy? Either make a point -- and please -- for all our sake -- don't go back to comparing this centrally important piece of compiled data, as you did, to adding up the average penis size to see if it measures to the moon. Say something of actual intelligence and bearing on the subject, if you are able to. If you are going to challenge this figure of the current extinction rate being around 10,000 times the background rate of extinction then do so using facts and data that has a bearing on it. Otherwise you are tacitly accepting that you are wrong about this. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Mar 11, 2014 2:41 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Yah. I do view mountains of evidence, and intake what I read. But I also evaluate which of the evidence seems most, compelling, and, in the case of climate, appears, questionable, or exaggerated. And, especially does not match observations. Science, is observation and measure, not one or the other but both. When the AEC of the 1950s claimed uranium reactors were totally safe, should we still believe on ideological basis? What about lysenko, what about eugenics. Sometimes science is about a search for truth, and sometimes it's about a search for a research grant. Scientists ARE observing and documenting the rate of extinction silly fellow. You do not get to choose your own facts, spudboy (or whomever you are). Chris -----Original Message-----From: Chris de Morsella <[email protected]>To: everything-list <[email protected]>Sent: 11-Mar-2014 13:20:13 +0000Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> I think that if extinction rates was 10k, you would already see silent spring round the globe. It smells of alarmism, to get people to march to the fearless leaders tune. You "think" a lot spudboy -- why not go review the mountains of evidence instead and come to a conclusion that is based on evidence -- as opposed to your opinion. Perhaps you remain blissfully ignorant of the scientific method -- test your hypothesis spudboy against something other than what you would like to believe. >> Its like the Marx brothers joke: who are you going to believe, you own two eyes or me! The academics, I suspect, are doing their hockey stick lie again, so things can roll their way with jobs for life, lots of cash from dur fuhrer, and appointments to jobs in the EPA, and such. Theres an inconsistency with the dire observations predicted, and the public policy resonse of the ruling class. To me, this is a tip off that fibs are being told and exaggerations sold. But fear not, I am a mere particle in the sandstorm of history. Do you consider this list to be a pulpit from where you may preach your particular brand of Ayn Rand addled ideology? Chris -----Original Message-----From: Chris de Morsella <[email protected]>To: everything-list <[email protected]>Sent: Tue, Mar 11, 2014 11:39 amSubject: RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of LizR I mus admit I've heard the extinction rate is way higher than usual - asteroid / methane burp high. (Although if it's us or them, as I said, that's a different story...)Liz – it is not hearsay though folks like spudboy who like to cherry pick their “facts” tople to march fit their ideology would like it to be just something evil greenies cooked so Soros can grab more power – or whatever delusional script they hew to. There is substantial, incontrovertible evidence that the extinction rate has literally spiked through the roof.That this is so should really make thinking people question why? What could possibly be causing this global extinction; the answer for those whose minds are not already made up by ideology becomes painfully clear – and stares back at you whenever you look into the mirror.ChrisOn 11 March 2014 15:59, Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Since I have been on the list longer then you I ask are you here to enforce progressive ideology? If you're pissed off, that's not my fault, that is your own. I was just elucidating to Liz on her comments to me. I am aware of technology, but it has to work well and the costs, affordable. No hurt incurred, but I refuse to hang back and take it. I refute your extinction rate of 10000, by being aware that this is a figure whipped up by proggies to gain more control over the rest of us. Sometimes the theatre is on fire, but most of the time it isn't. The question is knowing when. Alarmism is an excuse to grab more power. Some people like freedom more. Though you may feel that I am pissed off – or perhaps that is your desire. I am more bored than anything if you want to know the truth. Attempting to converse with a sloganeer is a wearisome pointless affair. I seriously doubt that you are aware of science, engineering, math or technology – in any profound way, beyond a casual Popular Science level and the ideological slop you get from your Tea Party fellow travelers. You have displayed surprising ignorance of basic statistics for example… so forgive me if I have serious doubts that your knowledge of science or technology is more than ankle deep.You “refute your extinction rate of 10000”, do you… First off it isn’t mine; I did not make it up… maybe that is your way of doing things. I am curious if your angry sounding refutation is based on anything more than your apparently abundant supply of hot air? 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