Snowball earth appears to have been due to a feedback loop (once you
glaciate a significant amount of the planet, the rest follows). I don't
know what the trigger was, however. A supervolcano is possible, blocking
sunlight over a long enough period.


On 13 March 2014 05:56, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:17 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>> >>> I think on the scale of 4 billion years the sort of margin we're
>>>> talking about is that necessary to keep water liquid on the surface.
>>>>
>>>
>>> >> At least twice in the last 4 billion years water WAS kept below the
>>> freezing point at the surface, from the pole continuously to the equator
>>> and we had a snowball Earth. It happened once about 1.5 billion years ago
>>> and again about 700 million years ago; why it happened and once it did how
>>> things ever warmed up again is not well understood, just like most things
>>> in climate science.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> > I  knew you'd say that. So what if there are two periods or more when
>> liquid water wasn't free running. Does that alter the fact that liquid
>> water has been *roughly* in situ over  billion years while the sun warmed
>> 20%? Do you actually dispute that this is something that needs explaining?
>>
>
> No and I don't claim to know all the answers, I'd like to know why the
> Earth turned into a snowball from pole to equator .7 billion years ago but
> from 1.5 to .7 billion, when our star was even weaker, it did not and
> despite a weaker sun things were much warmer. Apparently the climate
> machine is a bit more complicated than what some would have us believe.
>
>  > Several posts up, you obviously did not know about the sun warming
>> issue.
>>
>
> BULLSHIT! I would be willing to bet money that I know more about the
> evolution of stars, both on and off the main sequence, than you do, and
> probably one hell of a lot more.
>
>  >>> You keep throwing out eratic graphs....you do know they are provided
>>>> by climate science?
>>>>
>>>
>> >> So you think climate scientists are putting out "eratic graphs" but
>>> nevertheless based on what they say you think the human race should be
>>> forced to be put on a starvation energy budget that will impoverish the
>>> world and kill billions of people. And this is the moral high ground?
>>>
>>
>>
>  > I  don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
>>
>
> That's a pity because you're the one who said climate science are
> producing "eratic graphs".
>
> > They are doing science. The discussion about what needs to happen is a
>> separate matter.
>>
>
> Yes, and the question about what has happened is a separate matter from
> what will happen, and one question is far far more difficult to answer than
> the other because the past is always clearer than the future.
>
> > Fuck off
>>
>
> I love you too.
>
>   John K Clark
>
>
>
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