On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]>wrote:
> > > On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:08:00 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:38:41 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> If there is nothing other than sensing, then why use all the pronouns >>>> and nouns you do? There are no objects... so why would we need nouns and >>>> how would the notion of a theory even work, given that a theory is a >>>> noun/object. >>>> >>> >>> There are no objects without sense, but certainly there is the sense of >>> objects. >>> >> >> How do they arise from primordial sense, or what is their relation to it? >> > > Imagine an object - like a hammer. How did the hammer arise? How does the > question "how" arise? > Pretending there is no elephant in the room and commenting on the decoration does not answer the question. MSR fooling around here but pretending not to. > > >> >> >>> Given sufficient distance between one sensory episode and another >>> >> >> How does distance, episode, and arithmetic succession arise from >> primordial sense, or what is the relation? >> > > Primordial sense develops a sense of insensitivity to relate to itself. > The relation is nested symmetry. > Then primordial sense is no longer primordial: symmetry is. > > >> >>> , one may encounter the other as if it were an object rather than a >>> feeling. Episodes which are much slower and faster than our >>> >> >> How does "we" from your use of "our" arise from primordial sense, or what >> is the relation? >> > > Through nested insensitivity. I call it the Big Diffraction. > As others have commented, the impression that MSR is about how you call things ultimately, is growing with every post. > Sense fragments itself through temporary insensitivities > (episodes/entropies) > You need arithmetic to be temporary according to your parenthesis, that would make arithmetic a process phenomenon. Explain why arithmetic properties do not change despite "temporary insensitivities". They should all be in some dumb flux that should be observable, or have entropy properties etc. > which are gradually re-integrated (non-primordial sense, personal qualia, > perception within spacetime, etc). The sense of the insensitivity of > re-integration is what we call computation or information. > You have fragmentation of sense primary to information. But this is itself "information about MSR" by your own standards! > > >> >> >>> episode are presented as objectified mechanical tropes...structures, >>> bodies. >>> >> >> How do languages emerge from primordial sense, or what is the relation to >> it? >> > > Languages of living creatures? > You tell me: what is a living creature in MSR? > I would guess they emerge through as high level motives (communication > between complex experiences) > of who or what? > to overcome low level accumulations of entropy/insensitivity (separate > bodies). > Language having a will of its own, in sense of certain properties and limits, is something I can relate to on some level; the only thing in your entire string of responses today. MSR appears as the way you name things and pull sophisticated strings of ever-shifting primitives out of your linguistic hat to make up for the gap, of not being able to address who/what "senses" or who/what "complex experiences" "objects"; all of which you fail to account for starting with "primordial sense". A metaphor would be that you state that a game is running or in process prior to there being rules, possibilities, limits, and outcomes of the game. A bouncing ball however does not invent basketball, except in MSR; where the entropic asymmetries of episodic insensitivity of sense primary to its own fragmentation have the bouncing ball cause the phenomenon of living creatures instantiating the NBA. Often you formulate things really eloquently and I'll be amazed at the precision in which you render some thought or the other that hasn't found expression in that particular form in my own discourse. But your linguistic virtuosity possibly prevents MSR from developing or providing a base for your insightful observations. At this point my impression is: with a bucket so personalized and leaky, I can see how everything just goes in MSR, as long as Craig says so. For that reason I've taken MSR in the other thread and just filled it arbitrarily with my own primitives. You weren't amused because you thought I was selling you nonsense; so you didn't even reply. Perhaps you can relate to how I feel with many of your statements on MSR, then. PGC > > Craig > > >> PGC >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> You can't strike gold if sense contradicts its existence. PGC >>>> >>> >>> Contradiction requires sense to 'exist'. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Craig >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Craig >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll now watch the clip you posted! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kim Jones B. Mus. 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