On 08 Apr 2014, at 14:36, aeternadei D. wrote:
I do route for solipsism, it has a certain je ne sais quoi to it.
Although, having listened to an ebook on the subject by Alfred
Benei, I'm forced to say that if his deduction that even self is
artificial and a construct of a consciousness that is the only thing
we are sure about, then it is entirely possible to state that
nothing can be experienced because the one doing the experiencing is
a lie. therefore, whatever exists is unknowable to us because 'we'
don't exist. The theory of Nothing would also support this view if
its opinionists wouldn't beggar the assumptions and facts.
therefore, I'm forced to opine that there is a semblance of
universal consciousness somewhere of which we and everything we
observe are nothing but constructs of this universal consciousness
and the sum total of this consciousness is nothing. And I'm not the
first person to hold this opinion. A very prevalent belief in asia
is the idea of nirvana (transcendence)... oneness with the
universe... which is mistaken by us in the west to mean some sort of
yoga enlightenment but which is simply translated to mean, 'a
blowing out' like when you snuff out a flame. It is this state, the
absence of the plasma that was once the flame that is the true feel
of existence.
This is quite vague, so I can interpret this favorably in the digital
mechanist frame. The things are not so much a construct than a dream
or a first person view, that is a number relation. Physical realities
emerge from coherence or poly-consistence, that is first person plural
sharable views.
So everything that we assume should exist,
If consistent or relatively consistent. OK. From some points of view.
including empty space, may not for the above reasons.
This does not follow, and seems to contradict the above. What *is*
empty space? What are you assuming?
Bruno
On Saturday, March 8, 2014 5:53:40 AM UTC+1, Russell Standish wrote:
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 05:46:58PM -0800, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Russell,
>
> Now that is true solipsism. A rather strange view of two
projectors, each
> viewing what it projects and taking that as reality. But in that
model each
> observer is a reflection of the projection of the other. So how do
they
> confirm similarity since for two things to be similar they must be
> independent, and each here is just a refection of a projection of
the other?
>
> O, now I get it. Only the reflection of the projection by Russell
is really
> real! His projection is just nice enough to project imaginary other
> observers as being similar to himself?
>
> Somehow I think this model leads to consistency problems. At least
it seems
> awfully lonely....
>
> Edgar
>
I don't think you do get it, because solipsism is not the endpoint of
such a view.
An example of such a "reflection" is the conservation law of energy,
which turns out to be a consequence of our requirement for physics to
be invariant through time, ie a "reflection" of how we see the
world. See Noether's theorem.
To argue your case, you would need to come up with some physical
property that is indubitably _not_ a consequence of how we perceive
the world. I don't think you can do that. It is a very high standard
of proof. Consequently, it does not follow that intersubjective
consistency necessarily implies the existence of some external
ontological reality.
Cheers
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