On 19 Apr 2014, at 08:42, Samiya Illias wrote:
The harmful effects of the consumption of intoxicants for the
individual and its consequent effects on society are observable. The
bans are in thus in the larger interest.
This does not follow. Banning intoxicant augments the intoxicant
consumption, and so, if that is bad, it leads to the contrary effect
than the one desired.
However, if cannabis and other drugs have some medicinal benefits,
then the research should continue to find the correct, beneficial
use of them, as well as the side-effects.
Sure.
In Islam, consumption of intoxicants are discouraged. The arabic
word used for intoxicants, in the Quran, is al-khamr. The root
alphabets of the word are kh-m-r which means to cover or hide
something. Intoxicants, it implies, cover the intellect, and thus
are discouraged.
Does it? The Sufi thinks differently (as you know and can see by
searching "sufi drug use". For them, some psychotropic does not cover
the intellect, but discover it.
It is explained: [Quran 2:219] They ask you about intoxicants and
games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means
of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit...
That is an authoritative argument. You must understand that this is
not a good point for the Quran, or that interpretation of the Quran.
How can *you* be sure if the prophet did not misunderstood God?
The word used for sin also means frustration; tiredness; laziness.
Thus, I gather, both mind and body eventually suffer from the
harmful effects of the intoxicant, and thus the negatives far
outweigh the benefits.
Initially, the believers were advised to pray when in a clear state
of mind, and not when under the influence of intoxicants: : [Quran
4:43] O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are
Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say,...
Gradually, they were exhorted to refrain from it altogether: [Quran
5:90] O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of)
stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's
handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.
References:
[Quran 2:219]
http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=2&from_verse=218&to_verse=220&mac=&translation_setting=1&show_yusufali=1&show_shakir=1&show_pickthal=1&show_mkhan=1&show_urdu=1
[Quran 4:43]
http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=4&from_verse=42&to_verse=44&mac=&translation_setting=1&show_yusufali=1&show_shakir=1&show_pickthal=1&show_mkhan=1&show_urdu=1
[Quran 5:90]
http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=5&from_verse=89&to_verse=92&mac=&translation_setting=1&show_yusufali=1&show_shakir=1&show_pickthal=1&show_mkhan=1&show_urdu=1
Conventional religion have a tradition of forbidding anything which
can lead to psychotropic experience, if not mystic experience, because
they have decided of what is truth, and psychotropic experience are
able to question it, and usually leads to making the doubt greater.
In the religious matter, even more than in science, I think we cannot
let other people think for you. In my religion, you can caricature the
prophets, even God, and you can burn the sacred text without
blaspheming, but then you *do* a genuine blasphem when you dare to
talk in its name. You can only trust God to talk directly to the heart
of the people. You can't suggest any action or inaction in its name,
as it becomes the worst authoritative and manipulative argument. There
are just no human intermediate between you and God. Contemplation
community, and dances, prayers, can be allowed, but nobody can decide
actions and inactions, and normalize behavior in Its Name. If you
believe in God, trust him.
To be sure, there is no problem liking sacred texts, but not for any
normative action. Some "intoxicant" can help to understand this, and
that is why, I think, some tradition and societies wanting to control
you, are condemning them.
Of course, in the Abramanic religion, God can be seen as the first
prohibitionist, and the first to suggest that prohibition can't work.
Explain me how God, with his infinite power, has not been able to
control a population having only two individuals, Adam and Eve. How
could He not prevent them to consume the illicit fruit of knowledge?
Answer: he planned them to have the choice and get the knowledge. He
might permit the shortcut between Earth and Heaven, but not the use of
it to manipulate the others and talk in His name.
Bruno
Samiya
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 3:52 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 4/18/2014 7:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
What society thinks has nothing to do with it, because weak
correlation-based scientific evidence is used selectively to create
laws that were desired a priori by some interest group.
That implies some nefarious motive and corrupt use of data known to
be wrong. In fact there was no nefarious 'interest group' that
wanted to ban marijuana or to ban alcohol or to ban heroin. All
these bans were initiated by people who believed in the ill effects
of these substances for individuals and for society. In many cases
they had personal experience. That the bans may have given rise to
criminal activities to circumvent them, isn't to the point of
their origin.
Brent
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