On 04 May 2014, at 21:18, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote:
The machine:
http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1
Bad news from the doctor:
http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11
Turing test:
http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15
Cheers,
Telmo.
So where do you stand on this Telmo? I suppose I've rather raised my
hopes that your answer, like mine, is not straight forward.
I have no explanation for consciousness. My current inclination is
panpsychism.
The problem here is twofold:
1) what "pan" refers to? (A physical world, then you need to say "no"
to the doctor, Arithmetical truth? perhaps, if the brain is really a
consciousness filter (I am still not sure if this makes really sense
with comp).
2) what *is* psychisme (is it Turing emulable? if yes primitive matter
is an illusion, and physics is a branch of theology, if not what is it?)
Bruno
Maybe just because I'm just lonely since Liz walked out on
me...this vague cloud of abstraction never seemed so cavernous when
she was around, her 70's punk echoing through the theory of nothing
that - well you know itt wasn't a theory, but maybe it wasn't
nuthin' neither.
Hey, I like 70's punk rock too!
Seriously, I saw a hint of scientific realism in something you said
at some point. Nearly vanished but managed to block my ears when you
started talking about consciousness not between the ears. Don't do
that.
I believe that science is the only valid tool we have to understand
public reality. If you have a good "consciousness between the ears"
theory then... I'm all ears. Other theories are ok too. My position
is that what makes a theory scientific is it's falsifiability,
that's all. It doesn't matter how weird the theory sounds, it only
matters if it makes valid predictions or not. Common sense has been
shown to be misleading many times, and to an amazing degree with
quantum mechanics.
I am not sure that consciousness will ever be investigated by
science, because I'm not sure it will ever be possible to measure it
or test for it's presence. In this case (or meanwhile), we have to
make do with thought experiments and introspection on private reality.
Telmo.
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