On 04 May 2014, at 22:12, John Mikes wrote:
Telmo, some 2+ decades ago I think I had a reason to avert from the
topic called panpsychism (would be hard to recall it adequately now).
As I remember I called the phenomenon covered by this misnomer
PANSENSITIVITY (what I would not like to defend today anymore).
Psych seems to me too 'human' to be applicable to the entire world
(=Mme. Nature).
The problem, as I said to Telmo, is that panpsychism is neutral on
Aristotle/Plato, and as such does not say much things. What does "pan"
refers too, and what *is* psychism. If psychism is Turing emulable
(like the observation of bodies and brain suggests) then Nature is too
much small, and itself an emergent information pattern in the mind of
the 'numbers' (the person that we can associate to machine in that
case).
Why would you reduce the MWI reflexibility into ourflimsy human
brainfunctions?
(Even i f you extend them into <human?> mentality total).
I don't understand this.
Bruno
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Telmo Menezes
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote:
The machine:
http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1
Bad news from the doctor:
http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11
Turing test:
http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15
Cheers,
Telmo.
So where do you stand on this Telmo? I suppose I've rather raised my
hopes that your answer, like mine, is not straight forward.
I have no explanation for consciousness. My current inclination is
panpsychism.
Maybe just because I'm just lonely since Liz walked out on
me...this vague cloud of abstraction never seemed so cavernous when
she was around, her 70's punk echoing through the theory of nothing
that - well you know itt wasn't a theory, but maybe it wasn't
nuthin' neither.
Hey, I like 70's punk rock too!
Seriously, I saw a hint of scientific realism in something you said
at some point. Nearly vanished but managed to block my ears when you
started talking about consciousness not between the ears. Don't do
that.
I believe that science is the only valid tool we have to understand
public reality. If you have a good "consciousness between the ears"
theory then... I'm all ears. Other theories are ok too. My position
is that what makes a theory scientific is it's falsifiability,
that's all. It doesn't matter how weird the theory sounds, it only
matters if it makes valid predictions or not. Common sense has been
shown to be misleading many times, and to an amazing degree with
quantum mechanics.
I am not sure that consciousness will ever be investigated by
science, because I'm not sure it will ever be possible to measure it
or test for it's presence. In this case (or meanwhile), we have to
make do with thought experiments and introspection on private reality.
Telmo.
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