In the US, if I may be so opinionated, would tell Lenny that Mr. Joe.. is now US president, even though he hates the other 50% of the country. Those people of Joe's hue, like anyone else, can, if one possess a bit of talent, and ambition, can do fair for themselves, and I know this, because I used to school with some Joe's and Joe's instructors, and they were quite good at C++, and C# programming. Mr. Cohen, knows what he feels, while trying to make a point, but it's inaugurate. Lots of people here in the US, are now happy with SNAP or food stamps, (200-400$) per month for individuals and family, plus, increased disability payments, plus, long term unemployment, plus, supposedly, healthcare as of Jan 1st of this year. If you are good with France's government, you'd be good with the US, Mr. Cohen not withstanding. Yes, I listened to Cohen's poetry sing quite a bit, and yes, I do drone on with my lecturing.
Whatever economic track you chose, my response to you and Leonard is guilt is a very, poor, reason for helping the working poor. It's enough that we want to help. If you identify Joe as people overseas, then we get in the same go-round about pollution lectures about the West, and ignore the Asian tiger in the room. Yes, people look for dropped change under a street lamp because they can see better. Yes, dear Brutus, but the fact is our "selves" are the product of an education system which inculcates certain values - like the death penalty being OK in the USA, despite having been abolished in most civilised countries for decades. Note its racial bias too, as Leonard Cohen put it "Old black Joe still pickin' cotton to make your ribbons and bows" indeed. -----Original Message----- From: LizR <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, May 4, 2014 5:40 pm Subject: Re: Evolution from Scripture On 5 May 2014 00:00, spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: Liz, I am guessing the capitalism remark is undeserved, in the sense that making money is inherently evil (making goods, and providing services?), for me that is It's only undeserved if everyone is paid fairly for their work, which is manifestly not so when all the hard labour is outsourced to the third world to be carried out by workers who are effectively slaves. And it is only undeserved if everyone pays the full price for the things they produce, rather than offloading some of the cost into the environment for the entire human race to clean up later. too broad a brush you paint with for that observation. Now, if you want a glaring example, we look to the millions killed by Belgium (Heart of Darkness) which was driven by the need for cheap rubber from plantations in central africa. The death toll for the rubber plantations is estimated at 8 million over 20 years. We both need to ask if the commies, nazis, and ww2 japanese, were also part-capitalists. Stalin, before ww2, and even after did capitalist (westerners) trade deals, and The Nazis were of course hand in hand with big business (have you seen or read "The resistable rise of Arturo Ui" ?) The Stalinist system (which only paid lip service to being "communist" of course) was one vast state-owned corporation (which used slavery, just like the modern capitalist system). Maybe the fault lies not in the 'ism' strictly, but in ourselves? Yes, dear Brutus, but the fact is our "selves" are the product of an education system which inculcates certain values - like the death penalty being OK in the USA, despite having been abolished in most civilised countries for decades. Note its racial bias too, as Leonard Cohen put it "Old black Joe still pickin' cotton to make your ribbons and bows" indeed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
